German Shepherd Dog > Seeking help learning about my puppy's pedigree. (24 replies)
Seeking help learning about my puppy's pedigree.
by TheWildWolf on 02 January 2012 - 16:25
I am trying very hard to learn as much as I possibly can about my puppy's pedigree and lines. I was hoping the knowledgable members could help me learn how to read his pedigree. If anyone here can tell me some stuff about the dogs in Hunter's pedigree, I would greatly appreciate it. I want to become familiar with these lines, since pedigree awareness is quickly becoming a fun hobby for me - not to mention it is important to know where your dog comes from.
I am familiar with Cayos, Hilde and Ufo. A little familiar with Justin and Fado - but any info on these dogs is greatly appreciated.
Also, I am under the impression he is West German working lines on the top and bottom?
Here's my pup:
S-Hunter vom Geistwasser -
Thank you everyone! I greatly appreciate the help!
by Jenni78 on 02 January 2012 - 19:03
|Yes, he is West working top and bottom. Those are names you should be able to search on here and find threads about them that might give you enough info to come up with specific questions. |
Is he a good pup? Are you enjoying him?
by TheWildWolf on 02 January 2012 - 19:38
|Thank you very much, Jenni.|
He is a wonderful pup. I couldn't ask for anything better for me, personally. Incredible on and off switch, lazy and loving in the house and very driven and energetic in training. I am training in Schutzhund, and he has just the right amount of drive and energy for a Schutzhund newbie like me. He loves to track, has a fantastic full, calm grip and likes to fight for the tug as a reward (much like Cayos). He has excellent focus and loves to work. I also noticed that he gets very 'serious' about the tug, and is very confident/serious when on the sleeve (the two times we tried a puppy sleeve just to see his drives/reaction).
Very interested in learning about the dogs who helped produce him, hopefully it will give me tools to better train and work with him. ;)
by richram on 02 January 2012 - 20:26
|Very interesting pedigree. Both the top and bottom have very strong producing females as well as the males. You might want to search on you tube and see what you can come up with in so far as seeing them in action. Who are you training with out of curiosity? He is very nice looking. I hope you enjoy your journey with him. Make the most out of it!|
I also own a Kulla girl, Jetta Vom Geistwasser IPO I
by TheWildWolf on 02 January 2012 - 20:43
|Thank you very much for your reply, Richram. It is very cool that you are the owner of Jetta, I have seen many pictures of Jetta - gorgeous dog!|
I am not training with anyone right now... we're just working towards a BH until we can find a certified helper to join a club my friend and I have started.
I will definitely plug all the names into youtube tonight and see if anything comes up - thanks for the advice! Can you tell me which dogs you consider to be strong producers?
by Ace952 on 02 January 2012 - 20:50
|I am starting to become a big fan of Staatsmacht kennels. Even thought they didn't do THIS particular breeding the dam is from their breeding. They produce some top notch dogs from what I can tell so far.|
by TheWildWolf on 02 January 2012 - 20:58
|Ace - I have heard some very nice things about Staatsmacht kennel as well, I believe Hilde (Hunter's dam) is out of their foundation female, Orla.|
Thank you for your imput!
by workingdogz on 03 January 2012 - 01:28
|Actually Ufo is a Belgium bred dog, yes, he goes back to some W German working lines, but he is actually Belgium born.|
You have a pretty nicely bred pup from a good breeder. Bill is well known for liking strong dogs, some dogs not for the "faint of heart".
Bill has always been a "call it as he see's it" kind of guy so would not sugar coat anything, nor would he ever breed to a weak dog, or own one.
The owner of the sire is also a straight shooter and has been in the sport forever too. You should have a lot of fun with this pup!
You could contact the owner of the sire for more info on his dog and I am betting he would be more than willing to help you with any info you could want.
Staatsmacht kennel is now in the USA as well, so you could talk to them too, although being Bill and Jen own Hilde, they would be a better source of info for her, but Staatsmacht could tell you more about their own program.
by TheWildWolf on 03 January 2012 - 20:11
|Oh, I didn't realize Ufo was from Belgium originally. Thank you for the information!|
by workingdogz on 03 January 2012 - 20:24
|LOSH and St Huberts are Belgium registeries.|
by TheWildWolf on 05 January 2012 - 01:10
|Would I use those to research Ufo?|
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 01:20
|You wouldn't |
Those are just both registering bodies, kind of like AKC and UKC.
You may want to contact this lady, she has an Ufo daughter; http://germanshepherdk9.com/Page.html
Just google the dogs name. I believe Jon Gjerpe had frozen semen stored from Ufo, but not sure if he is still around or not.
I think his company was Canine Biotech? You can look up progeny of Ufo on the database then google those dogs names as well, find owners, email them etc.
Hope that helps.
by TheWildWolf on 05 January 2012 - 01:24
|It really does. Thank you, greatly appreciated!|
by Chaz Reinhold on 05 January 2012 - 01:30
|Was gonna say the same as WD. Talk to people that have first hand knowledge.|
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 01:49
|Good luck in your search WW, it's fun to learn about dogs behind your dog. Most people are willing to talk about thier dogs, so should not be hard to get info.|
I know the owner of your pup's sire is a very nice guy! He will likely tell you all want to know and then some
I don't think Bill is as "touchy feely" about his dogs, but I bet his wife Jennifer is
I could be wrong, Bill may have mellowed over the years, but he has always had respect for a good strong dog, and would never breed to a "punk"
by Unknown on 05 January 2012 - 13:35
If you want to be completely correct, Cayos is a Norwegian dog, with his father (Ufo) a Belgian working line dog and his dam (Chila) a West German Working line dog.
Jon Gjerpe is still around and has actually moved to Texas. I know because he just bred a bitch to Cayos last month.
by TheWildWolf on 05 January 2012 - 14:47
|Thank you for the advice everyone,|
I get all the info I need from Cayos' owner about him, he is very helpful and knows so much. Bill and Jen have told me a lot about Hilde, as well. I am more interesting at this point in learning about the dogs further back... Justin, Natan, Gerry, Rick, Greif, Link, etc... I am trying to look up names and videos and such... I'd like to hear it if anyone recognizes dogs in later generations and what they were known for. I am looking up names as we speak, trying to understand this art of pedigree reading.
Thank you all very much for your imput - very helpful when I am knew to all of this.
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 15:42
|Natan Pachecos Haus was a KNPV titled dog (google that to find out what KNPV is ), he was PH1 titled, Politiehond 1.|
He was a little "dicey" for hip production if memory serves me correct, but seemed to have a decent enough average overall.
That was of course, "back in the day" before elbows were done, but somehow I don't think a dog would be able to walk let alone trial for a PH1 title if it had bad elbows . He was known to bring an "edge" to his progeny.
Justin Pendel Bach was heard to be a pretty "serious" dog as well, and seeing Mink h Wittfield and Falko h Sindern would tend to make me think that was pretty accurate.
Randy Tyson-Wittmer could tell you about Mink, she owned him for a good while.
Asko Joufne Keyleff went back to some good old dogs too. You may want to track down JC Balu in California, he had a full brother to Sagus Buesecker Schloss, "Sanuk". AJ Singh could tell you about Sanuk, I believe he bred to the dog.
Oldo z Starken Eiche, (or perhaps it was his brother Olf) once hit a helper so hard he broke his arm. That was what was told by an SV Judge at least.
Harro Lechrainstadt was a pretty balanced dog, his son Fado was known to bring alot of "play" or willingness to work more for the handler, I am betting that came through Afra.
Thats all my old brain can come up with for now, and hey, take it with a grain of salt too
by TheWildWolf on 06 January 2012 - 19:54
|Wow, such fantastic information!! Thank you SO much for all that, it is amazing to hear about the old generations dogs!|
My pup is very playful and has that willingness to work you mentioned, definitely. ;)
by workingdogz on 07 January 2012 - 13:21
|You are welcome, others may offer differing opinions, that's just our experiences based on what we have been told by others that have had their hands on the dogs, Our own experiences with sons or daughters of these dogs, or friends experiences with those lines. Keep asking,others can add as well-it's the only way to learn :)|