German Shepherd Dog > Need help understanding the quality of the pedigree of my west german shepherd. (36 replies)
Need help understanding the quality of the pedigree of my west german shepherd.
by festnagler on 02 January 2012 - 03:45
|Hi... New to the site.....hoping i could get some advises on the quality of my GSD pedigree "Mad Max vom Gernkogel". Thanks for the help in advance.|
Admin added link.http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=551426
by workingdogz on 02 January 2012 - 03:51
|Very nice pedigree packed with some super producers! What's the dog like?|
by Slamdunc on 02 January 2012 - 03:52
|Super nice pedigree.|
by Jenni78 on 02 January 2012 - 03:57
|Nice pedigree comprised of (very popular/typical) highly achieving sport lines. |
Interesting pedigree for a person to buy who isn't too familiar with them. Can I ask why you bought this dog and when?
Welcome to the board.
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 January 2012 - 03:58
| Thanks for the link?|
I could not find it at first.
Heavy good with great names...and some siblings ?
Have you some concerns ?
If you put each of the first two generations name in our website search you can read some threads or posts about each of them..
by Angela on 02 January 2012 - 13:09
|If you look into the HD-Zuchtwertermittlung, your male Mad Max has the HD-stamp normal and ED-stamp e , this means ,that he has elbowdysplasie, so it is not allowed to breed him with pedigree in the SV. I'm sorry for these news.|
by festnagler on 03 January 2012 - 01:47
|Thank you all for all the responses to my post. I will comment and answer on the 5 replies i have received thus far. I know everyone is wondering why i would get inolved with the working lines of the GSD when my knowledge is somewhat limted ont he subject. Well, i have had GSDs for about 40 years (since i was a child) but not knowledgeable about the different lines etc. Once my last GSD died from mega esophagus i was determined to adopt a MWD because they deserve a good retirement just as we do. Well, i got moved up the list based my application and my experience with the GSD but they said it could take months or even a year or so. Sooo, i went ahead and bought a 3.5 yo already trained in protection, tracking, search, and advanced obedience (IPO 2 with excellant scores) and also bought a female for breeding. Yes, Yes, Yes....i read the last post and am very much concerned about the money i spent and I have a problem with the elbow displacia. After I purchased the dogs a had the x-rays done and the elbow has a spur on it...hmmm. The vert said he has never seen such perfect hips and elbows on a GSD before. I have over 25k in these dogs and built a 40k kennel. I bought the dogs about 6 months ago. Both dogs have extreme drives and have high energy. I had to start my training with the female with food instead of toy because of her strong drive and we are progressing well. Everyone that knows me knows how much my GSDs have always meant to me. I had my last one cremated and spread his ashes over the lake behind my house and at the lake where he spent countless days and nights with me on the 43 foot boat i had. If i failed to answer anyones question please let me know and i will be glad to reply. If anyone wants to see the obedience and protection work while he was in germany let me know and i will post the link. Oh, i forgot to say....i have pups on the ground at 3 weeks. Thanks again for the knowledge i know i am going to gain from all of you.|
by Jenni78 on 03 January 2012 - 01:51
|I was just wondering, as it's an unusual pedigree for someone asking basic questions about pedigrees. I meant no offense whatsoever. |
Do you mean you have pups from the dog who can't be bred under SV rules due to elbows? Is that what you're saying about being upset regarding elbows? What's the ped on the other dog? Maybe it will compensate?
by Chaz Reinhold on 03 January 2012 - 02:30
|I'm more interested in the boat.|
by workingdogz on 03 January 2012 - 02:50
|Re-xray the dog and submit the films to OFA for a rating.|
Not to say he maybe doesn't have a bad elbow, but, if your vet looked at his xrays and said that the dog looked great, I think I'd re-submit.
by Jenni78 on 03 January 2012 - 02:56
|What will that do? I'm lost.|
by festnagler on 03 January 2012 - 03:18
|No offense taken whatsoever Jenn78. The female pedigree is on the working-dog.eu. Here is the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/970669/Pina-vom-Taubergie%25C3%259Fen&ei=mXACT7DLBar10gHr1bmFBg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpina%2Bvom%2Btaubergie%25C3%259Fen%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADRA_enUS457US457%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D492%26prmd%3Dimvns|
Sissy vom stadtfeld is the dam and she is on this database. It seems there is alot of good titles in my females ped as well. I truely appreciate your HONEST opinions.....))).
by festnagler on 03 January 2012 - 03:35
|Mother: sissy vom stadfeld (kkl 1, hd-zw 81)|
Father: crooks from taubergieben (Class 1 hd-zw 85). Someone told me my female was about 2 cm too tall.
by Chaz Reinhold on 03 January 2012 - 04:13
|Gauner vom taubergieben is the poppa.|
by Jenni78 on 03 January 2012 - 04:39
|From what I understood (and I didn't check the site myself to verify, so bear that in mind), what Angela expressed was that the male has ED (the kind that Viagra won't help) and progeny cannot/could not be registered w/the SV had he stayed there and had not been sold to the US. |
Workingdogz suggested resubmitting the xrays, and I didn't/don't see what that would accomplish. The issue isn't with OFA and AKC doesn't care anyway. What am I missing?
I wouldn't waste too much worry about elbows at this point; there is nothing you can do about it now. I would make sure you have a good guarantee you offer your buyers since you are now aware of the problem and at least not repeat the breeding, or if you do, wait until all offspring have been xrayed clear. Or that's what I would do, anyway.
by Bundishep on 03 January 2012 - 04:51
|some good dogs in ped hutch,yoschy and a fair amount of Karthago blood which is nice to see in a ped|
by workingdogz on 03 January 2012 - 19:29
<sinip>"After I purchased the dogs a had the x-rays done and the elbow has a spur on it...hmmm. The vert said he has never seen such perfect hips and elbows on a GSD before. "
This is what I was referencing Jenni, this statement above is why I suggested the owner re-xray the dog and re-submit.
Perhaps he may get a different rating on the elbows, perhaps not. But, if his Vet feels the elbows are good and the owner is upset about the ED rating thru the SV, then it might be worth submitting new films to OFA.
OFA and SV are not perfect. I believe you have went on about that before on this board due to your own male.
Many dogs come from Europe with low ratings for hips etc. then are re-xrayed here and get better ratings with OFA. It's not that expensive to do, so people really have no excuse NOT to xray and certify in this country.
by festnagler on 04 January 2012 - 00:07
|Maybe I confused everyone a little but the females hips and elbows were perfect from what i saw and what the vet said. The male's hips are normall and his elbows showed no sign of ED except there was a bone spur on one of them. Oh well, I will probably submit to OFA anyway just to see what they say eventhough I want to live by the SV rulesg. Well, i have the kennel space and I have the space in my house so maybe I wil search out one of the best male and females i can find in west germany and buy them (this time with a little help). But i still love my sheperds I have.....wow, they work and play with such intensity....I am having alot of fun with them. Gzzzzzzzz......these pups at 19 days are at each others throat...it is so funny to watch.))|
by workingdogz on 04 January 2012 - 00:51
|Why buy a stud? You can breed to the best studs anytime you want.|
It's going to be hard to find a male that will compliment every female you own.
Much better to purchase well bred GOOD females and breed from them.
You would be wise to either pay someone reputable here, or there to test any potential dogs you have interest in, that includes a complete vet check.
Better to be out a few hundred for a thorough vet check than several thousand.
Go to see the dogs in person as well if you can, it's usually cheaper to fly the dog back with you anyway as excess baggage.
All the best to you for your pups!
by Jenni78 on 04 January 2012 - 02:57
|Not what I meant, w'dogz, but it's not a big deal. |
To the OP: I just didn't see why you would have to redo them if they looked that great. What the SV says is what they say, and if you wanted to register them w/the SV, you couldn't....but I don't think you're in the right country for that, anyway, so my point was that as long as you are cautious and carefully evaluate the pups' joints (ALL the pups, especially since the SV ruled ED on the male) you're doing all you can and you shouldn't lose too much sleep over it.