German Shepherd Dog > To the BREEDER in the Czech Republic.....selling dogs (59 replies)
by Nans gsd on 01 January 2012 - 05:02
|No absolutely NOT; these dogs would not change to this extreme. These dogs HAVE NO HIP SOCKETS, first dog a slight hip socket, 2nd dog, NONE. JHC, Those are both dogs that COULD have serious problems even getting up. Nan|
by Super Para on 01 January 2012 - 10:34
|Be responsible and name and shame for the sake of others!! Come on people wake up, grow some and for gods sake name.|
by duke1965 on 01 January 2012 - 10:35
this can and will happen again , with people buying and selling dogs for money , and its not exclusive for czech . republik, they are everywere , and some of them unknowing , as they are brokering dogs they dont actually own themselves , and have them shipped after they find client , so maybe good tought to buy dogs from breeder of dog or actual owner of dog directly , or for honest broker to buy dogs ,test/healthtest them yourself and than resell , I know for sure one broker is about to fall on his face in the nearby future , and Im almost sure he isnot aware of it , as he is offering what is offered to him , and on his for sale list are dogs with incorrect health and titles
by B.Andersen on 01 January 2012 - 17:58
|Hexe and Joanro. It is not the vet that committed the fraud or the CMKU vet. Dog one was xrayed and rated E 3/4 but in CR the owner does not have to stamp the papers with the rating then dog one was sold but the papers were then stamped A 0/0 . This was done with fraud in mind. Dog 2 papers were stamped A 0/0 without being sent in to CMKU officially. Ms Hall has done her research and has proof and has done the correct thing informing all new owners dogs etc that were placed etc. This is a case of pure deceit and fraud at the highest level.|
by Red Sable on 01 January 2012 - 19:01
|Who is the breeder? I agree with workingdogz, regardless of whether this thread scares them into fixing their mistake with you, they'd still (or have already )pull(ed) this stunt on someone else.|
by GSDPACK on 01 January 2012 - 19:04
|I know who the breeder is and if Bhall wants to I can help her take the breeder down! The breeder is know for weak temperaments, dirty facility, too many filthy dogs that the breeder can't handle all over the Czech Republick!|
I would not expect any money, but we can stop the breeder... my help has been offered.. all I can do right now.
by Jenni78 on 01 January 2012 - 19:07
|I have a guess as to who it is...|
I still want to know how it happened 7 times, unless it was 7 dogs bought at once?
by hexe on 01 January 2012 - 22:30
|B. Anderson, sorry if I somehow gave the impression that I was considering the vet who did these films to be at fault in any capacity at all; nor do I have any reason to think that the vet who did the films in Europe was involved in the fraud, either, based on what Ms Hall stated--my comment was directed strictly at the mention of the positioning not being ideal in the first set of films shown in Ms. Hall's post...no amount of positioning could ever hope to disguise the degenerative change and osteo-remodeling in the hips shown in either of these two images. |
I do agree with GSDPack that's it's unlikely Ms. Hall is ever going to see any money back from the seller, regardless of any attempts to shame him into trying to make these deals 'right'--so I doubt there's anything to be lost by revealing the name of this seller (though he'll probably be back in business a day later with a new name). As you've said, B.Anderson, this was all done with the intent of perpetrating a fraud...so there's no chance this dirtbag will suddenly develop a conscience.
I also agree with Jenni--were all seven dogs purchases at one time, for Ms. Hall to get taken on such a large number of dogs? If, as B.Anderson says, the CMKU doesn't require the dog's owner to have the registration papers stamped with the hip rating, why on earth would ANYONE take a chance and buy unknown dogs from an unknown seller, sight unseen and without any independant verification of hip status from either CMKU or a licensed private veterinarian in the CR BEFORE making any agreement to purchase the dogs? Granted, it would cost money to have radiographs done by another vet over there, but I bet it would be far less than what's been lost on the purchase of 7 dogs...one of which has already been bred???
by Bhall on 01 January 2012 - 23:01
|Can't post a name yet. Just to get the record straight. I known this person for a few years now. Never had problems in the beginning.... Dogs purchased within the last year or so were misrepresented. Found out about one and I ended up on checking out all. There you go. They lure you with good dogs and then.....!!!! |
The good thing is that I have met many good people since then in the Czech Republic. I am from Germany so I have a few good friends over there.
I did get some money refunded but now this person thinks that she does not owe me anything as she blames others.... She agreed to send the full amount by the end of this year. Needless to say it did not happen and she said that she is a good person and pointing fingers at others.
It will be taken care of...just need some time.
by Hyghlander on 02 January 2012 - 00:27
|I would have thought that there would be some form of Czech Republic Canine Control Authority that has a vested interested in protecting its' name as a reliable exporter of dogs. Likewise, taking the matter further up the rank, the Czech Government would have an Export Department/Authority to promote exports from their Republic. The Czech Government might be keen to stop canine exports that don't meet certain standards, and refuse Export Permits, if such regulations exist.|
I'm sure there will be several other options that might cause the Breeder/Broker to reconsider their position to make restitution.
There are International Trade Arbitration solutions that could also be considered.
by B.Andersen on 02 January 2012 - 01:26
|I would imagine it takes some money and influence to officially stamp the papers with fraudulent results.This may be a not uncommon practice in CR in order to sell dogs along with other official misrepresentations. This may be just the tip of a huge iceburg. I would have to think though that dogs are a way to bring much needed US Dollars into a country that does not have many goods to export. Many Americans have been sold inferior dogs and are speaking out. Never wise to kill the geese that lay much needed golden eggs. Personally I have had worse experiences from dealing with Americans and have had very good dealings with SR and CR people but know of other such frauds like BHall has been subject too.|
by EuroShepherd on 02 January 2012 - 10:47
Wow, person has to be very stupid to try to screw Bhall in selling bad dogs to her.
by ShelleyR on 03 January 2012 - 02:42
|Wow. those are some of the worst hips I have ever seen. Doesn't leave you much choice as far as treatment vs $$$$$ procedure vs... well, you know. Neither one of them are worth the cost of the crate they were shipped in.|
I am so sorry, for you and for the dogs.
by Jenni78 on 03 January 2012 - 02:53
|It's terrible that she was lied to, but those are far from the "worst hips I have ever seen." Those dogs can likely be fine pets for someone who will be dedicated to keeping them lean and exercised and healthy. I sold a dog for a friend who had worse hips than that. Last I knew, he was 5 or 6 and going strong...no surgery. To say they're not worth the crates they flew in is pessimistic, imho. I hope someone gives them a chance.|
by ShelleyR on 03 January 2012 - 03:21
|Geez, Jenni. I said SOME OF the worse I've seen. I meant that their worth was minimal from a commercial point of view. After all, they WERE SOLD COMMERCIALLY.|
Sure, I've seen a few worse hips, but not many, and I've x-rayed 100's of GSD's. Some were comfortable, with correct handling and treatment, clear into their teens. Some were not. Two had NO sockets. They were given to loving homes, handled well, swam and kept lean, never submitted to cold temperatures. My own beloved Onyx's hips didn't look an awfu lot better than Dog #1, and he worked, pain free, till he was 11, lived happily to 12.5 with natural supplements, good nutrition, only a bit of medication the last year.
I am not going to apologize or explain everything I write. I don't have time.
by Bhall on 03 January 2012 - 03:26
|Well, both dogs are doing great and are in pet homes. However, I am sure they could have found wonderful homes in the Czech Republic without all the stress. Who suffers the most? THE DOGS!!!|
by Jenni78 on 03 January 2012 - 03:30
|Good for you, Birgit. I see you understood what I meant.|
by frankm205 on 04 January 2012 - 00:07
|Expose the Bastards I say!!!|
by dajk on 20 January 2012 - 02:19
by macrowe1 on 21 January 2012 - 04:38
|Wow thats terrible! Is there any way you can PM me their name? Im currently looking at 2 breeders in Czech and would be devastated if this happened! I hope all is made right!|