German Shepherd Dog > Look at these hips (763 replies)
by B.Andersen on 31 December 2011 - 01:34
|Hopefully the surgery helps.|
by Slamdunc on 31 December 2011 - 02:01
Thanks for those links, that helps explain things....Well sorta. I still can't get past the fact that the breeder/broker who is paid a very handsome fee for his expertise to pick a puppy misses succh a glaring defect. Goes back to the otehr thread that $3,000 is too much to pay for a puppy, especially one with obvious health defects. But, there are those that argue or claim that if you are new or inexperienced it is often better to pay double for the experience, expertise and guarantees of the broker/breeder. You pay double and then some for that extra piece of mind...........Ironic isn't it?
Isn't the one who picked all the pups a breed warden? Wouldn't he be trained over the past 30 or forty years or so to check teeth? I'm just thinking out loud here, didn't they keep two or three for themselves out of this litter? Wonder how those dogs teeth are?
by Chaz Reinhold on 31 December 2011 - 03:26
|But, Jim, only they know how to breed old style Czech dogs.|
by ChrissyKim89 on 31 December 2011 - 03:37
|Duke, I have Kaiser scheduled to go in for elbow x-rays next week; the vet agreed that it'd be a very good idea. Pending those results I will decide on the next steps. If the elbows turn out fine then I will go ahead with the FHO towards the end of January. I have already set the date. But then the question comes up, what do I do if the elbows also turn out horrid? He does walk with his front legs splayed out like an upside down V... but I thought it was just because he is so east-west in the front?|
I guess the cat's pretty much out of the bag with those links someone posted. I wish I had been asked if it was okay first. The breeder is very aware of this thread, so if he wanted to identify himself he would've said something by now.
Oh, I do not have a family. I'm single, no kids, live by myself. Not sure where it came from (or why it matters), but just clearing that up.
by Jenni78 on 31 December 2011 - 03:45
|I agree; that was extremely disrespectful and in poor taste. Had Chrissy wanted to post that, she certainly could have. |
Chrissy, keep us posted on his elbows. Easty-Westy fronts at that age are not unusual. When the chest widens, often, they will straighten out. I sure hope his elbows are ok.
by frankm205 on 31 December 2011 - 04:32
|Wow, I thought only 1 % of their puppies had bad hips? |
by duke1965 on 31 December 2011 - 09:15
|chrissy , I hope the elbows turn out fine , but some choices you have to make with your head , and some you have to make with your heart , as long as there is options for a normal painfree life for kaiser , follow your heart|
by workingdogz on 31 December 2011 - 10:30
Good luck and all the best wishes with his elbows, geezuz christ, at some point this pup HAS to have SOME luck doesn't he?
If the elbows turn out bad, (please remember to put all his AKC data on the films too), then you will have some harder decisions to face, but cross that bridge when you come to it. Many Many MANY dogs have had FHO's, and have gone on to live happy active sound lives.
Did you have any luck finding a pool for swimming yet?
When you find one, please post the info here, you can count us to cover a session or two. Please find out if they have "package" rates as well ok?
It doesn't matter if you are single, married, divorced, gay, staright, 0 kids or 10 kids, black or white Chrissy, people are angry at how poorly you have been treated and how this duo took advantage of you and robbed you of your hard earned money.
Just as people are "paying it forward" to you and Kaiser, you have a sort of obligation if you will to do the same, and get this all out in the open, maybe you can educate one person in a similar situation as you and save them some heartache?
If anything Chrissy, you should be livid with the way these two shysters have frauded you. But we know, it's hard, you have the aftermath of their lack of ethics to live with as a constant reminder. You have risen above them by miles, and stood by this pup when many would have made a one way trip to the vet.
Don't expect them to do "the right thing", they won't, they have not from the start when they shipped you a puppy with a severe overbite.
Just focus on the positive with Kaiser, and let the people who want to help you do so.
All the best to you and your pup.
by danny killeen on 31 December 2011 - 13:08
by aloysius17 on 31 December 2011 - 14:32
|Danny follow the links on previous pages and you will see pictures of Kaiser. I sincerely doubt that anyone, let alone Chrissy, would make up something like this. best of luck Chrissy|
by joanro on 31 December 2011 - 15:08
|Pretty sure the pics have been deleted on other forum. Check out ped of this pup, three times in the same generation on Ben z Bolfu ---- maybe the autopsy on him by z pz wasn't so precise in it's discovery after all. Could be. ( the link for ped is in prior post). Best of luck Chrissy.|
by Red Sable on 31 December 2011 - 15:35
|Danny, sometimes you just seem 'out there'. I'm not sure who you are or if you have a personal affiliation with this breeder, but Chrissy said she has spoken with him about this issue (as she did with the previous issue), so there is no doubt he is aware of it, as he is aware of this thread.|
IMO Chrissy is a wonderful person, which also makes her the perfect victim.
If all buyers were like Chrissy, then breeders would get away with murder(so to speak), so it is easy to see why she is a breeders dream buyer (as stated numerous times on here).
BUT that in turn makes her a fellow puppy buyers nightmare.
What is that favourite saying that is quite often bandied about on here? All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
Many times evil comes hidden in sheep clothing, but sooner or later it is exposed for what it really is by those willing to stand up and confront it. For those of you who did and do just that, on this board, a heartfelt thank you.
How many others have to get screwed before these practices are stopped?
By these practices, I mean taking advantage of those one considers gullible enough to unload your crap on, (for the same high price ), or lying to make a sale, or whatever.
This will be my last post on this subject, as it just pisses me off.
May all the liars, deceivers and users get exposed for who they are in 2012. That is my wish.
Happy New Year!
by Schaferhunden on 31 December 2011 - 15:57
I would give that dog back.Get you money and run.1% HD My EYE.
What a puppy peddler
by danny killeen on 31 December 2011 - 16:06
I have no personal or professional affiliation with anyone concerned, and I am certainly not suggesting anything has been made up.
As for who I am? I use my real name. Who are you? :)
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 18:59
As you know, unlike others, I am public and known person here and an open book and I have nothing to hide. You can see my profile here and immediately know who I am.
Until this point, I did not see it as appropriate to be involved in this thread. That is because I am in communication with Krissy and this topic is about what she should do with dog with bad hips.
Now I feel I need to say this.
Chrissy bought the dog with the understanding of that warranty. I can not modify the warranty for Chrissy because that would not be fair to previous buyers. I also do understand that Chrissy is not ready for new dog right now.
I understand that this is upsetting for Chrissy and bad for her pup. And I would like to stress out that for that reason it is upsetting to me too. I love what I do I do it merely because I would like people have similar experience with this great breed of GSD as I do. That is my single most important reason for me doing dogs.
by Abby Normal on 31 December 2011 - 19:21
I believe you have a truly unique situation with Chrissy. Not only does this dog have dreadful hips (it can happen) but a severe overbite which should have been detected by anyone remotely knowledgeable which should have prevented the puppy ever being shipped in the first place. This is why Chrissy is in the very difficult situation she is in now.
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 19:40
|I do not feel that I should discuss here how compassionate I am. This matter is getting resolved between me and Chrissy as we speak here.|
Also it would serve people well before they comment to actually read what I have said and what my warranty says. If you have published and provably dated better replacement warranty then I do, then please let me know and I will match it. That is also part of my replacement warranty.
by Schaferhunden on 31 December 2011 - 19:49
|He should give her back a full refund so the money could be spent to help this poor dog.|
Any person reading about this and all the crap he has written should now know the bottom line here is money. I believe the person that said he called all of us stupid AMERICANS
by DAK44 on 31 December 2011 - 20:03
|Give this poor girl her money back. Wow.|
by workingdogz on 31 December 2011 - 20:33
Your "warranty" would not even be needed had you and your partner at least GIVEN her the courtesy of knowing the puppy had such a SEVERE overbite, it was at that point she would/should have had an option to either move her deposit/payment to a different litter, or ask for AND BE ENTITLED TO a refund.
THAT is what started all this.
You two pawning off a puppy with a MAJOR problem on a novice.
Now look what this poor girl is dealing with. Nice introduction to "Czech Dogs" and German Shepherds in general.
Oh so generous, you advised her to sell the pup you want to give her as a replacement.
Why don't you and your partner do that, or better yet, just refund her purchase price PLUS shipping and then YOU sell the pup you want to give her next?
Why make her do that? Like she doesn't have enough to deal with? You want her to take on another puppy and then try to sell it? Great idea
Good christ, you guys sent her a puppy with a HUGE overbite a blind person could have seen from 15' feet away, and you want to keep reminding people of your warranty? Your initial dealing with her was NOT done in an honest manner, so your warranty is a moot point. That whole concept doesn't seem wrong to you?
Maybe it doesn't..that would explain your actions through all of this.
Great way to conduct business.