German Shepherd Dog > Look at these hips (763 replies)
by joanro on 05 January 2012 - 01:10
|Cheers to you RS. Kyser and Chrissy finally got a break and I'll help with the surgery fund.|
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 01:12
"The arguments against Hans and Jiri would make a lot more of an impact if there was an attempt made to make them factual or articulate, or even better, both. No matter how "right" you think you are or may be, the presentation leaves so much to be desired that unbiased people reading it just might be swayed against the anti-Hans camp for certain comments. A classy, well-said argument based on facts goes a lot further than fat jokes and crude, immature insults."
Really? did YOU write that Jenni?
You have dished out plenty of catty remarks over time on this board and many others.
Remember, those in glass houses
For the record, yes, people should stick to the core subject, Chrissy and Kaiser and the shoddy overall treatment she recieved from Hans/Alpine K9 and Jiri/Jinopo.
It's wonderful that his elbows have at least passed! It's even better she at least got her purchase price and shipping refunded. How long before you know the check has cleared Chrissy?
Now onto the surgery! Chrissy, please post the vet clinic's info so that people may still donate if they want to ok?
We'd like to send in some funds to help you two along.
Yes, Hans did finally "step up", but wow is he whining about it now on his board. "Poor me, Jiri and I are being attacked on PDB"
So in reality, he still doesn't believe what they did was wrong--I think he is more upset he got hauled up on the carpet and "outed".
I'm curious how the hips/elbows turn out on "his" pup, you know, the one Jiri wanted to make sure Hans got.
Cause of the paperwork and all....
by Slamdunc on 05 January 2012 - 01:24
I am very happy to hear that Kaiser's elbows are ok. One less thing for you to worry about.
by Blitzen on 05 January 2012 - 01:25
|Excellent news, Chrissy. Now it's all going to be good for you and your pal. Stay positive and keep the faith.|
by Keith Grossman on 05 January 2012 - 01:57
|"As predicted and as was just emailed, it's likely that my post won't even be understood by half of the contributors on this thread. ;-)"|
I understood your post. Mine, however, on the veracity of the information on the pedigrees of these dogs dating back more than a few generations was completely overlooked. Perhaps I should be more explicit...we are discussing the accuracy of pedigrees for dogs that come from countries that couldn't quite account for all of their nuclear weapons when the wall came down. Are you all so blinded by the "flavor of the weak (sic)" that you're unwilling to consider the reality that we really have no idea about the lineage of most of these dogs? Hans and Jiri are doing nothing that hasn't been done in the eastern bloc countries for the past several decades; think about it.
by Slamdunc on 05 January 2012 - 02:23
As usual you make some very good points.
by beetree on 05 January 2012 - 03:20
|Interesting to be worried about "unbiased" people reading this thread. I really only cared about Chrissy and the fate of her malformed dog.|
I am delighted the elbows are clear!
So, I guess Jenni, you can just bite me. LOL
by cqbk9 on 05 January 2012 - 04:44
|Some may know me through professional contacts overseas, not from posts here. I helped Novotny/Alpine with a website, training/technical knowledge from 1993. I was mis-representated about my dog I purchased in 1994, but you work with what you get. I have knowledge, experience,and training methods, that other European Trainers will not do. I looked at Kennels of PS and Polícia, and made a decision in 2002, to pick Slovak dogs (my family has been importing GSD's from early 1960's), before these people, knew the English word "dog". I was put into a hosptial by Hans and his incompetant handling, and have videos of Novotny and his partner training dogs. I run a superior Kennel in Colorado, with imported dogs from Slovakia by my Veterinarian partner. We strive for quality, not quantity. I train Spec Ops forces and specialize in hard corps, realistic training. There is not an option for me to Import a dog with health issues that could extrapolate on here. I just want to be treated as I would like to be treated. Hans will not give in to people. Hans tries a dominant, totalitarianistic approach, and, sorry to say, if you do not know better, you have been taken. I am not here to discredit Hans, he knows what he is, Jiri's reputation presedes him from the 80's, and this is just an insiders knowledge. I would rather lose a sale, then pork somebody over. Some of us want people to get great dogs. I want to do the right thing, I "ate" $10,000 last year and that is not profit, but love of German Shepherd Dogs. I am in XXXXXXXXXX working, Slovakia, quite regularly, and select some excellent dogs.|
But none with health issues or BS.
I will post a file for you when I have time.
by aaykay on 05 January 2012 - 04:54
|The arguments against Hans and Jiri would make a lot more of an impact if there was an attempt made to make them factual or articulate, or even better, both. No matter how "right" you think you are or may be, the presentation leaves so much to be desired that unbiased people reading it just might be swayed against the anti-Hans camp for certain comments. A classy, well-said argument based on facts goes a lot further than fat jokes and crude, immature insults.|
Agree, totally. I myself opined that the OP's situation could have been handled more elegantly, but was totally put off by the insults/threats and the overall tone of several of these posters/posts. Chrissy herself remained above the fray, and never went down the path that some of these posters did, and I am truly appreciative of that....classy !
Either way, glad that the pup's elbows are fine, and hopefully he will have a long/loving life with his loving owner, once his surgery is done. He truly deserves a break after all of the bad luck he has had, and the genetic short straw the innocent little fellow drew, even before he took birth.
by destiny4u on 05 January 2012 - 04:54
|cant read that it is too small|
I was put into a hosptial by Hans and his incompetant hanlding what happend? were you eaten by a pp dog?
in this thread you say that hans provided you with a dog that saved your life many times..
by Spooks on 05 January 2012 - 08:09
|Way to go Chrissy... great news about Kaiser's elbows.|
I hope you will continue to keep us updated with his progress.
by Abby Normal on 05 January 2012 - 10:25
|I am over the moon to hear about Kaisers elbows. I had to get up in the night (2 am) to have a peek to see if there was news!.|
Chrissy, you and Kaiser can now start to create your new future together. He was so unlucky to be born with problems, but how lucky was he to get you!
Let us know what the ortho specialist says, and when he is going to have his ops. Lots on here would still like to help if its needed, and would love to follow your and Kaisers progress.
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 12:02
|Since Hans of Alpine K9 and Jiri of Jinopo have so many card carrying members of their fan club still coming to their defense here,|
can one of you please let us know how the hips/elbows have turned out on the rest of that litter? Obviously Hans made sure he got the "right" puppy Jiri shipped him.
So maybe someone can find out from Hans. I don't belong to his board, nor will I join it to ask him. I find his and Jiri's business ethics and practices repugnant.
I have had a slight chuckle at his carrying on about all the "haters" and jealous competitors on here that someone copy/pasted for us to read, but overall, I have watched that "man" spin, weave, shuck and jive himself across this thread too many times to know he seems to be a habitual liar. When caught at one dead end road of truth, he spins and spins another tale.
What has come to light is that this is not, (nor do I doubt this will be the last) a rare example of poor customer service, this seems to be a "pattern".
Someone recieves a puppy/dog through both he at Alpine K9 and his partner Jiri at Jinopo, and if there is a problem, the client is then dodged for many days, almost weeks, until the client finally gives up in frustration. Thats not good customer service-thats a sham.
I would expect that from a "hit and run" ad on here, but not from people that profess to be breeders/brokers of such quality dogs, and expound about their years of experience etc and quality customer service and support.
So, how about Hans club members? Why don't one of you find out how the hips/elbows are on all those littermates?
by beetree on 05 January 2012 - 12:22
|I sure wish Hans had been been more elegant in his handling with Chrissy.|
by Blitzen on 05 January 2012 - 13:22
|Workingdogz, IMO this is another of those situations where some are only going to feel offended when the scam directly effects them. Acknowledging that there may be reasons for concern about incorrect pedigrees, health histories, and so forth could call their own dogs into question and damage their own breeding programs. Don't ask, don't tell..........|
by workingdogz on 05 January 2012 - 14:48
|Blitzen, you nailed it|
Like I said..time will tell
by Blitzen on 05 January 2012 - 15:06
|You betcha...time wounds all heels, not?|
by Abby Normal on 05 January 2012 - 15:52
|What I would really, really hate to see is for everyone who was standing together for Chrissy and Kaiser start to turn upon each other now that the immediate and most important battle is done and won.|
This thread can and will stand as a warning to many, and I am sure will be posted and reposted many times in the future when someone asks about Czech dogs and those breeding and importing them. Lets not ruin it or diminish it now. No offence intended.
by Blitzen on 05 January 2012 - 16:16
|Point well taken, Abby.|
by Schaferhunden on 05 January 2012 - 16:26
|I do not think anyone is turning upon each other now. there is two sides here and the anti Prager/Jinpo is larger. But i see workingdogz cut Prager some like trying to be fair|
And i think Jim is being very easy on Prager.And i will tell you why Jim it is said here has sat and eat with Prager and wife so he had to spend time with them.In doing so Jim would have to know #1Prager is no Trainer #2has no real dog knowledge and #3 the dogs he seen there are not worth the huge dollars they ask.I know A police officer that
meet Mr Prager and he told me these 3 things.So i know who i believe and Pragers statements he make about stupid people(?) Chrissy is very very lucky she has a refund
this a rare case.