German Shepherd Dog > Look at these hips (763 replies)
by Slamdunc on 02 January 2012 - 02:20
My friend I am not hiding behind my keyboard. Hans and I know each other, we have met in person. He has my phone number and can call me any time. As a matter of fact several members of this forum have met me and been to my home during seminars which I have hosted. No one is hiding here, quite the opposite. You appear to be a relative newcomer to the GSD world and taken in by the magic of Hans, Jiri and Jinopo. I wish you the best of luck with your dogs and a happy new year.
Nothing has been worked out yet and this is taking way too long. It seems nothing will be worked out by Hans. It should have taken 5 minutes, 6 months ago. You really do not want to be Hans' sycophant do you, ask some of his other cheerleaders how that worked out?
Would you buy your next dog, tomorrow from Hans sight unseen knowing all of this?
by aaykay on 02 January 2012 - 02:21
|Hans should be inspecting every single puppy that he sells and warranties before transferring ownership. That would be the smart business thing to do|
Completely agree with this. Especially in cases like this, where the transaction happens via the internet, and where the buyer is not able to personally inspect what he/she is getting, there should be complete and totally transparent description of what is being shipped....warts and all....with a thorough inspection done at the source, since any corrections that would need to be made after the shipment is done, would be expensive and time-consuming for all parties.
Seems like somebody seriously dropped the ball somewhere, in this particular instance, since this puppy should never have been shipped at all. Maybe this happened due to the large volumes that one is looking at here, I am guessing.
by workingdogz on 02 January 2012 - 02:26
We have actually purchased every dog/pup we own sight unseen, and have been happy with each and every one. Yes, we have had bad hips pop up, but thats just the "odds" in dealing with this breed. We certainly didn't blame the breeder, shit happens.
The BIGGEST problem here is this, this puppy Kaiser was sold to Chrissy thru Jinopo via Hans at Alpine K9. Hans and Chrissy evidently "split" shipping fees as Hans recieved a puppy from the same litter. Hans has stated himself he was told to "check tattoos" to get the "right puppy", and he claims he never saw the huge overbite.
Both Jiri and Hans claim to have "missed it", "made a misstake, F***** up", so, on the second day of owning her dream puppy that she saved her hard earned money for, she sees the overbite, her a novice. She then tries to contact the American rep for Jinopo, Hans, and is told he will call her back. She waits over 10 days before she hears from him. She tried him via telephone 3 times in that 10 day period and never once recieved a call back. She also emailed him pics of the overbite.
I can only assume they were the same pictures she posted, and if so, a blind dead man could see that overbite right away.
After having the pup for as long as she did, coupled with the lack of communication from the American rep for Jinopo, she understandably lost faith in Hans and Jiri.
She decided to keep the pup. Can you imagine the frustration and embarassment she had? She felt like she had been "got"...and she HAD!
Now the poor pup has bad hips, not just "sort of bad"--really f*cking bad hips. He needs surgery so that he may hopefully lead an active pain free life.
He has an owner that obviously loves him and is willing to do just about anything for him. Both Chrissy and Kaiser are the victims here, NOT Hans.
Hans is a representative for Jinopo, he was the broker for this sale, ergo, he should do what is right and refund this girls hard earned money for purchase and shipping of this pup. Nothing else is acceptable. This girl in all liklihood would NOT have accepted this pup had she been made aware of his overbite BEFORE he was shipped here.
All this always comes back to them shipping a puppy with a glaring health/structural issue. The hips are now just adding to the pile.
by aaykay on 02 January 2012 - 02:27
|Hans and I know each other, we have met in person. He has my phone number and can call me any time. |
Well, if I know somebody in person, then it would be tough for me to make statements like "f** c**** sings" etc. Pretty, crude actually.
Are you a competitor of Hans/Jiri/Jinopo by any chance ? Just using this opportunity to sling some serious mud ? Hit while the guy is down ?
by Slamdunc on 02 January 2012 - 02:28
Hans saw the puppy remember. He had to make sure "he got the right puppy" and didn't take Chrissy's by "mistake."
by Slamdunc on 02 January 2012 - 02:35
I am no competitor of anyones. I do not sell dogs and I do not breed dogs. I raise and train all of my dogs from pups that I purchase from reputable breeders. I have done SchH since the 90's and work a dog every day. I do not have a dog in this fight or anything to gain. I simply do not like people being taken advantage of, as is happening here. Crude, no not really......Taking advantage of a young girl now that is crude and despicable.
Nothing to gain, nothing to sell, comes here for free and offers advice on occasion.
by joanro on 02 January 2012 - 02:38
|Aakay, maybe it happened because they had a pup with a horrific overbite and they matched it up with a novice instead of Hans. Probably would be a better guess.|
by EchoEcho on 02 January 2012 - 02:43
|Yes Slamdunc he did however he said that it was dark and he couldn't see. Every place I have ever worked has ALWAYS inspected goods before accepting them into inventory and distributing them. Once you accept them into your inventory they become your responsibility. Once they are on your "shelf" then it is your name at stake and that is why you inspect before accepting into inventory. When you go to the store and there is a crushed box of cereal on the shelf you don't think to yourself "why would Kellogg's try to sell me a crushed box?". You think to yourself "Why would Safeway try to sell me a crushed box?".|
So Hans... why don't you do a complete inspection of all puppies that you warranty and sell? Why should someone buy a puppy through you if you don't do this? Seems like you would want to do this to protect yourself from Jinopo and from the people you are selling puppies to. Seems like you would want to verify the puppy is what the buyer wanted.
by Jyl on 02 January 2012 - 02:46
|Jim, That comment was PRICELESS...|
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 January 2012 - 02:46
Slamdunc happens to be a member of one of our organizations we call LEO>>>
Please learn who you are speaking about before you chew them out? Anyone could tell as we all call him JIM!!!
None of us are hiding behind any internet names...we all know who each other are on here in this thread...except for three new names appearing.???
by EchoEcho on 02 January 2012 - 02:46
|Agreed Joanro. A novice who would fall in love with the puppy and not want to return it. Like I said in my previous post, I find it no coincidence this puppy ended up thousands of miles away from the breeder and into the arms of someone who couldn't wait to get her hands on her first "high end" GSD and who didn't want to return it.|
by Blitzen on 02 January 2012 - 02:50
|Keeping it simple, stupid, shame on Hans and Jiri; this is absolutely disgraceful albeit not at all surprising behavior for 2 men who profess to be professionals and honest in their dogs dealings. Your excuses are lame and are tedious; you are just putting lipstick on your pig.|
Here we are again discussing the same old - one more black mark on an already tarnished breed that has become the laughing stock of the dog world in the US. Most in other breeds can't understand the concept of using brokers, importing dogs when we have had the opportunity to breed our own good GSD's here for how many years now. Why hasn't that happened? Advertising pg bitches for sale, bitches that are "ready to be bred", shipping pg bitches so late in their pregnancy that they whelp in the airline crate horrifies many of my friends, it should horrifiy all of us. Are these companion animals or livestock? When are we Americans going to smarten up and stop being cash cows for European breeders?
Chrissy dear, just move on and tell these men where they can put their egos. You have plenty of honest and sincere people here who want to help you finance your boy's surgery; people who will not let you down. You don't need their crap. Report your experience with them to RipOff reports and all other internet websites that are intended to out scammers. It is not libel when it's true.
by aaykay on 02 January 2012 - 02:53
|Aakay, maybe it happened because they had a pup with a horrific overbite and they matched it up with a novice instead of Hans.|
Joanro, that could very well have a rational explanation, right ? In a litter, you get all sorts of pups and responsible breeders try to match the right pups to the right owners, right ? You would not want an extreme high-drive pup to go to a novice handler, which could be simply courting trouble in the future.
So in this instance, the pup that was sent over to Hans, may just have been a bit of a handful for a novice (just making a wild guess here), and thus the need to make sure that it did not get mixed with any other pup......not making excuses here, but just trying to explain what could be the case here.
But that still does not excuse the fact that the pup that Chrissy got, should have been thoroughly inspected for faults (structural, dentition etc) PRIOR to shipment, and that is where the ball seems to have been dropped.
by workingdogz on 02 January 2012 - 02:58
|Puppies are generally tattooed between 7-8 weeks of age.|
This puppy was shipped at about 8 weeks of age.
How in the F*** was this overbite MISSED???
This is not going to "go away"
This thread will be cross posted to virtually every dog board on the internet.
There is only one way to make this all right.
Jiri and his partner Hans know what they need to do, but don't want to part with their ill gotten gains.
Does it make you guys sleep well to know you robbed a young lady?
Sickening. Real MEN would not treat a lady like this!
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 January 2012 - 03:02
MY question is BY someone or someones (both) having YEARS of experience and YEARS of knowledge...I DO NOT BUY IT>>>>>>>
Read this below and let it sink in ..........
by frankm205 on 02 January 2012 - 03:09
by aaykay on 02 January 2012 - 03:10
Slamdunc happens to be a member of one of our organizations we call LEO>>>
In which case, I will insist on civil responses....I will not tolerate "fat czech" and other such statements - especially on a public forum - from people who are charged with enforcing the law. Makes sense ?
Are you talking about my joining the forum as a "weird joining" ? And if so, then why ? Could you explain ? Any of my past postings indicate any "weirdness" to you ? Just curious. I like rational, well thought out responses. I personally am not a big fan of lynch-mobs, as seems to be the case here and hence the couple of posts I made in this thread.
Here are my 2 pups (a male 5-month old field Lab and a 6-month old Czech GSD female) for your reference:
Just to clarify, the Czech GSD was not sourced from Hans or Jinopo, even though my girl has Jinopo dogs (Xant z JD, Yska z JD, Navar Hronovsky Pramen and Puci Jipo-me) in her pedigree. Love her !
by ghostly on 02 January 2012 - 03:21
|Rational reasons still won't explain why there has been so many in just this past year that Hans has screwed. But with that said he still has members here trying to come to his rescue. I bet you all would stop if you had to see how many bad deals that haven't even got to this forum by others. Keep supporting this man and he will continue to screw others. Google Alpine K-9 and be ready for all the crap that comes up. But keep supporting him!!|
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 January 2012 - 03:28
| READ MY POSt:|
I SAID" IN THE past".
It was you , was it not , that ask about the Fella named slamdunc?
The reason for that statement is because of all the HIGH NOtES , SAID HANS HAS BEEN singing before this happened and was brought to light for the more than First time...Please go read other posts and threads to educate yourself about this COMPANY doing business here..
As a matter of info, several years back , a well known breeder of DDR dogs said and I quote " Beware of Hans" and everyone hated her, and dogged her as crazy???
You do not know about that but others do.
Let me ask you then Aaykay>
Where did the statement come from It ain't over till the Fat Lady Sings????
I find insult about that statement also...I am not skinny...I am well rounded and would be called FAT by some peoples descriptions...so do you think I worry about a well used : " use of the English language to mean litterally......the end has not been seen yet????
You are the one who questioned a board member. I have no clue who you are nor did I question you..because you spoke pretty good sense....until you questioned Slamdunc's identity
as some fella named slamdunc???
Get over it...I am the yellowrose of Texas but I am not of her occupation...so, it is all in how you read the English Language.
by aaykay on 02 January 2012 - 03:29
|Here are a couple more of my Czech girl:|