German Shepherd Dog > Look at these hips (763 replies)
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 21:02
| Nobody is dishonest. It was a misstake. F*** up! OK? Are you happy?|
As I am saying I am discussing this with Krissy.
Show me your warranty!
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 21:07
|Schaferhunden I HAVE NEVER CALL ANYBODY SUCH THING.|
Whast does that make you?
by Schaferhunden on 31 December 2011 - 21:11
I would like to say that I do not usually sell dogs to GB. That is the domain of JINOPO.
I sell the dogs on US continent and and all over the world but not in GB. But JINOPO are my partners and close friends to whom I helped to start JINOPO. Thus I do know what is going on there.
You sell dogs all over the world HA! Big business Give her money back then. Do the right thing for her and the dog.People here are seeing you for what you really are.All HOT AIR
by beetree on 31 December 2011 - 21:16
|Abby Normal makes the best point. If ever there was a time for a deserving exception, it would be this instance, and Hans, you would be the one to grant that exception.|
by GSD Admin on 31 December 2011 - 21:19
|An admitted mistake=refund of all monies spent in my personal opinion. Including all vet bills, phone calls and any other expense incurred.|
by sachsenwolf on 31 December 2011 - 21:26
|Unfortunately REPLACEMENT warranties are the norm and common practice in the US GSD world. Most pet buyers would never surrender their dog for a replacement, and few even if offered the option to keep their dog would want a second dog from the same breeder anyway because they would have it in their heads that somehow this breeder is producing defective dogs... thus the breeder rarely has to honor any warranty. Some of us fortunately are giving a money back warranty instead of the replacement warranty. Each have their own terms, some full money back, some half or replacement, some for only hips, some cover more issues, etc. but at least it's a step in the right direction that I hope to see more do and more buyers look for. |
That being said, it would be NICE to see Hans offer some monetary reimbursement, BUT as the broker he's stuck in the middle, and questionably holds any real fault. If he refunds the whole amount then the breeder didn't have to take any responsibility, and he's out whatever he paid for the pup. Certainly it's the honorable thing to do and hopefully they are reaching some understanding. I'm sure the breeding was done with the best of intentions, but unfortunately you never KNOW what Mother Nature my throw your way. Hopefully the overbite was an honest mistake if the pup was sold as show quality, but that's obviously not the pressing matter.
So sorry about your pup. I hope whatever surgery you elect for will keep your pup active and healthy for a very long time. You both deserve to be happy with each other.
by Spooks on 31 December 2011 - 21:35
|@German shepherd dog (admin) |
An admitted mistake=refund of all monies spent in my personal opinion. Including all vet bills, phone calls and any other expense incurred.
Exactly and the only acceptable recourse in the circumstances.
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 21:37
| I am talking to her about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have said it here before.|
Read my darn warranty!!!!!!! . And you all here are not helping me or her to get the money to her. All I can give her is my 1/2 . Jinopo would have to come with the other.
Do you get it!? I can not give something which is not mine.
Again show me your replacement warranty if you even have one.
by joanro on 31 December 2011 - 21:52
|As a puppy DEALER, paying the breeder for pup (as he has stated he does), then that throws a whole new perspective on this matter. He must have chosen the pup he wanted from the crate and gave Chrissy the affected one. Therefore a complete refund including shipping could happen without involving the breeder on Chrissy's behalf.The DEALER can take up the issue of screw up with the breeder and get his refund AFTER Chrissy gets her money back. Then every one can hopefully live happily ever after.|
by Schaferhunden on 31 December 2011 - 21:53
|@German shepherd dog (admin) AMEN|
How can you not feel sorry for the women and her dog.What kind of people do we have
here. My God Have a heart
by Prager on 31 December 2011 - 22:08
|Sachsenwolf. I have never ask for the dog back in situation like this. I would only do so if it would be a matter of dangerous temperament or if the dog would according to some information would be abused or in improper environment. Sachsenwolf,... You actually in the second column hit the nail on the head.|
I can not give what is not mine. If all the people would actually read my warranty before they get "righteous" here, then they would see that there is an option for me giving her 1/2 back. I have no problem to do that. Now I am trying to get her the second 1/2 back too. But it is a chess game and all this BS here is not helping me to do so!
People are saying that middle man or broker like me are useless and waste of money and is best for the person to go directly to the breeder and save. Well let this be an education for you know-it-alls, what do you smartoholicks think that I, in this case the middleman or broker, am doing now.
But you all here have no idea what is actually going on and what I am trying to do fro Chrissy, calling me names from the security of your key board. You are just a bunch of righteous dogoodders who call me names while I am trying to help her. Why don't you just pipe down for a moment let me do my job?
By the way I have introduced concept of any warranty to Czech about 30+/- years ago when I started bringing these dogs into USA . Before that it was like buying a used car. Buyer beware! The believe was and many still believe that it is up to the buyer to select proper dog and take the chance.
When back then I told breeders in Czechoslovakia to guarantee their dogs they thought that I hit myself on the head really hard. But now most do reluctantly guarantee the dogs for expert. Yes they say that they do but situation is often different. Most dogs within the borders of Czech are not guaranteed.
by sachsenwolf on 31 December 2011 - 22:35
Hans, I think 1/2 or your commission/profit is fair. Hopefully others will see that there is not a money-hungry "winner" in all of this, and that you are going beyond "fair" in trying to help Chrissy get the whole amount. The first pharagraph wasn't directed at you, but I did think your warranty was only for a replacement. Glad to be wrong.
by EchoEcho on 31 December 2011 - 23:00
|Just wondering Hans, did you notice the overbite? I just got a puppy and I am so glad that I got to pick out my puppy instead of trusting someone like yourself to do it for me. You should own some responsibility for the overbite and something should have been done about it before it ever reached Chrissy. Can you honestly say that you didn't notice the overbite? What comes around goes around. You should have noticed and done something about the overbite in the beginning. It is coming back to bite you. You should step up and do the right thing for the mistakes you have made regardless of what refund the breeder does or doesn't grant. Sometimes you need to just suck it up and do the right thing which would be a full refund.|
by Abby Normal on 31 December 2011 - 23:35
by Chaz Reinhold on 01 January 2012 - 00:02
|Funny how one will argue that their price isn't too much for the quality and services, but when they don't receive quality or service, they're S.O.L. I know, I know, you're getting her money. After you said you wouldn't and then you realized that you will lose more in sales than the price of her "mistake". I guess I don't get why this is so hard. You two sell 40 litters a year. If you have on average, 5 Pups a litter, that's 200 Pups. With your 1% HD rate, you should be able to refund her and the other .05%.|
by Jenni78 on 01 January 2012 - 00:07
|I would never want to be a broker. You have only so much control. I want full control over what I sell so I never have to be the middleman in something like this. Sure, you can enjoy more "success" but you can also go down with them and have little to say about it. Not my cup of tea.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 01 January 2012 - 00:35
I stand on my first opinion and have to ask...What about the rest of this dogs health. It now is known where and what pedigree it came from I ask , again,,,this pup is not what customer wanted for her money and she was told SHE Got A QUALITY PUP..
SHE DID NOT GET A QUALITY PUP
SO I again, say do not think spending a fortune of money on this pup that you are bonded to and do LOVE is going to have all GOOD> Sometimes in this life, we humans have to make hard choices. It is called TOUGH LOVE>
There are other organs, other body parts from THIS BAD BREEDING ..and you may be in for a very big disappointment.
Please take another puppy . THIS BREEDER ADVERTISES LITTERS ALL OVER THE WORLD EVERY MONTH...
give this lady a NEW PUP...I have never heard such indecission in all my born days. YOU CANNOt fix THIS DOGS WHOLE LIFE .
with one operation so I ask that you consider all the avenues you may have to walk down before not taking another pup and insist these two BREEDER BROKERS give you a pup immediately.
HEART????? Krissy has already spent her HEART and cried a whole RIVER over this pup,,
HEART???? Time to use brains and Conscience of Human mankind to remedy this..
I have not a problem doing what would be most important and would not let any pet suffer one more day.
by yellowrose of Texas on 01 January 2012 - 00:48
If you are as IMPORTANT TO jINOPO as you say you are??? THEN you have no problem doing an immediate PUPPY shipment to Krissy's airport and this TIME select a QUALITY PUP
EVEN MY 6 yr old grand son could look in a 8 week old mouth and see that the pup had a jaw misalignment and those things do not ever correct themselves dispite what some taut here.
also the other health issues about this pup can be found in others from same line???????DID I see that info and did someone mention 3 x3 on one dog??? was that dog known for something in health issues???
This thread only serves to educate newbies that want to learn and should ask for help from others before spending the amount of money on a wonderful gsd and getting a nightmare instead.
You can love the pup and you can serve the breed by doing what should be done, and whatever that be, will teach others to be aware.
by Abby Normal on 01 January 2012 - 01:12
It's interesting, how some people insist that a dog with HD will suffer it's whole life long. Most people with experience of living with a dog with HD, some having had surgery, some not, tell a different story. Hell, it's disappointing, but the dog doesn't know he's 'defective' and he will live his life with enthusiasm given the chance. With the surgery he will have he will not suffer any pain or discomfort once the op and recovery are over. I most certainly wouldn't let any animal of mine suffer either, and yet I did not 'dispose' of either of my HD dogs! I have one now who is over 9 and has driven me mad all day wanting to play!
by Schaferhunden on 01 January 2012 - 01:29
People have to be careful. There are people out there waving a American flag and calling you friend until you give them your hard earned money. All is good until you find something wrong with the dog. Then you are no longer a friend. People should buy dogs and puppies bred in the USA you stand a better chance.