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by Chaz Reinhold on 03 January 2012 - 02:38 |
| I looked at myret's pedigree. Out of ring dogs, but are out of SchH dogs, as most are. It is what it is. |
Chaz Reinhold by kt484 on 03 January 2012 - 14:22 |
| myret whats you dogs name? |
by myret on 04 January 2012 - 21:12 |
| kt484 which of my dogs the french one??? |
myret by kt484 on 05 January 2012 - 05:32 |
| Ya |
by kt484 on 05 January 2012 - 05:32 |
| Ya |
by Snusjunkie on 05 January 2012 - 12:44 |
| Ring GSD vs SChh GSD, in my opinion we shouldn't look at it that way as if you look at pedigrees you'll find out that they're comming from the same place! It's just diferent sports, Ring sports are more dificult but you can train any GSD coming out of a good working line as long as you are a decent handler, have a good team around you and especially have great decoys to work with! |
by Super Para on 05 January 2012 - 13:45 |
| EisenFaust, Wouldnt say your Bitch is a hard hitter but a fantastic launch combined with good targetting. You must take the credit for this with her timing/targeting training done very well from an early age I would suspect. Very nice bitch, good luck with her. |
by TDC on 05 January 2012 - 18:17 |
| EisenFaust - you don't see many GSD's launch like that! How is she when being worked with a decoy in a suit? Does she have fight drive? Have you done any ground fighting with her? Get off your ass and get us some pictures of her working against a decoy in a suit. I want to see a couple of pictures like this.  |
TDC by myret on 05 January 2012 - 22:28 |
| Kt484 His name is goofey de la coquellerie Most ring gsd goe back to only few schh Lines some of the old Lines they almost only use half vom ruchbachtal, aly vorsteinwald, yoschy that is the schh lines that are behind the ring gsd but more more back In the pedigree |
by myret on 05 January 2012 - 22:28 |
| Kt484 His name is goofey de la coquellerie Most ring gsd goe back to only few schh Lines some of the old Lines they almost only use half vom ruchbachtal, aly vorsteinwald, yoschy that is the schh lines that are behind the ring gsd but more more back In the pedigree |
by frankm205 on 05 January 2012 - 22:51 |
| I have been to the KNPV nationals in the Netherlands and can tell you some of those dogs are super tough. I spent some time training at a few of their clubs and the training is excellent, but from what I saw the bulk of the trainers train with very heavy hands. They take a puppy and train with him almost every day. They meet at their club after work and stay till dark training. They have super good helpers and there are many clubs in each area. It normally takes 2 - 3 yrs to title the dog, then they sell him and start with a puppy all over again. I love watching them train, there are no egos and everyone works to help the handler and his dog. Another thing I noticed was most of the handlers are older guys say in their 40s to 60s handling these really tough malis. On thier long attacks the decoy breaks a stick over the dogs back just at impact and you see parts of the stick flying around. They also do excercises like guard the article, find and hold a guy hidden in the woods, retrieving small metal objects like bullet shells and pennies and bring them back to the handler. They jump straight 6 ft ( or so ) wall and must also do long jumps etc... It truly is an amazing sport to watch In my opinion this is a much more difficult sport than Schutzhund and is geared towards a very fast, agile dog with good nerves. That's why you don't see many GSDs in the competition. Intrestingly enough you do see some gsd /mali mixes doing well. |
by myret on 06 January 2012 - 11:19 |
| Frankm205 I totally agree |
by judron55 on 06 January 2012 - 11:53 |
| How in the world would anyone know if any particular dog can do KNVP without trying the sport....and even if you buy a dog from KNPV parents...what makes you so sure the pup will be any good at it? It's in the genes people.....then the training comes along. Some have it some don't...just like anything else...by the way TDC...awesome picture! |
judron55 by Snusjunkie on 06 January 2012 - 12:53 |
| Agree with judron55!!! As an exemple, look at Hero Van Tiekerhook, he's out of "Schutzhund" dogs and is doing very well in Mondioring! French Ring GSD come frome the same lines, and that's a fact! |
by myret on 07 January 2012 - 19:22 |
no one will know if the dogs ´will do the sport without trying it |
by myret on 07 January 2012 - 19:41 |
| yes its in the genes and that is no gaurantee but it helps to select some of the best working traits |
by myret on 07 January 2012 - 19:45 |
french ring gsd are not schh lines as I wrote before there are schh lines far behind in some of their pedigrees but not that much but mostly just a few like yoschy,aly and half |
by Snusjunkie on 08 January 2012 - 18:53 |
| Myret, schh lines as you call them, are not that far behind, they're a lot in the 3rd, 4th and 5th generations, just take a look at the pedigree on the working GSD french kennels site, take a look at "des Orckis de ladret", "de la Coquellerie", "du Val des Hurle Vents" and many others, you will find a lot of dogs coming from those lines, especially trough Ferro, Troll and Timmy, Yoshy, Half and Nick! If i were looking for a GSD for ring sports i would not get it from France and i'm french!!! IMO most of French breeders give more importance to the studs, sure there are many excellent dogs doing great in ring sports but that doesn't mean that they are good producers, it's hard to find a good dog there, out of 1 litter, you'll be lucky if you get 1 or 2 good dogs, and imo they should give more importance to the females, usually they haven't got any titles... |
by Koach on 08 January 2012 - 20:26 |
| Snusjunkie, What you mentioned about the French not paying much attention to the females, apparently it's the same when it comes to Malinois in France. It's too bad because, in my opinion at the moment, French Ring tests the fighting drive and the athletism of the dogs much more than IPO does giving the French breeder a good venue to improve the breed. Cheers, |
by myret on 08 January 2012 - 22:49 |
| Snusjunkie I know about the french,Belgium Both In gsd and mal dont Care about the females but the schh Lines are the ones I wrote and the ones you mentioned but that is the good old schh Lines not like those week dogs you see today with the modern breeding They lack prey,Hunt and fight drive today and hardness they have problems staying In drive for longer time and they are to soft today I have written with one of the old breeders In france and hé wrote mé that only a few of the german lines produce the drive it takes to dó campagne,mondio, french ring only the ones I and you mentioned that is not much and its only the good old Lines and they are getting more and more behind In pedigrees and more of the new type softer gsd is seen.but those old schh Lines have produced very good and are to some of the Lines used In KNPV titlen dogs |
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