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by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 01:11 |
| I see Slamdunc is confused,.... again .He is wandering about these two statements. Prager wrote: On the first page of this thread: Now I do not know what it involves to ship a dog into GB and if is there a Quarantine or if there is a special and quite expensive rabies immunization schedule which needs to be done for shipping into most all island countries without rabies, but the prices above are good comparison. Prager Hans On this page: Since the GB has rules where imported dogs must go through immunization and titer testing process which is not cheap and the price is up because of that. Only person who does not know about what it takes to import pups to GB may think that it is too much. Go ahead and try it. The process is so tedious that $3000 is a bargain Huh? Dear Jim, there is such thing as education. You should try it sometimes. Between those 2 posts, I called Peter from JINOPO who does JINOPO importing into GB and he confirmed to me what I was before just guessing. :) Hans |
Prager by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 01:30 |
Schaferhund I said: How much is that worth it to you in the world where HD in GSDs is around 50%!!!! We run during that period of time 1% or less. In last 10 years we had about 3%-4%. Show me a breeder who can match that in as many pups as we have Shaferhund said: I do not think people on the PDB will believe this statement no person is that gullible Schaferhund it really does not matter what you believe or not . There are other breeders who do similar research and have similar results. DragonGSD is such kennel for example. Hans |
by Slamdunc on 17 December 2011 - 01:53 |
| Hans, it's good to know that you are still trying to educate yourself. How about checkIng your facts on the HD. 50% of GSD's have HD? Quite a large number. Can you reference your source for those statistics so I can be better educated? |
Slamdunc by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 01:55 |
| Dear Jim, I am referring here to your "Prada " post. Please take a note that dogs are not Prada bags. Prada bag is Parada bag. Always the same . Thus you can go on Internet and shop around with only hope that you will not buy a cheep knock of purse , instead of real thing. If you buy the real thing then each bag is the same. But dog is never the same as other dog. You can not properly select a dog through Internet!!! JINOPO and AlpineK9 goes thorough testing of the dogs which we sell. They must fit certain standard. On our websites we provide pictures, videos, x rays, pedigrees and description of each dog we sell. Then we provide additional testing and videos up on a request. Some of the dogs we get are in sorry physical shape and we exercise them and cook meat for them to get them in shape. Than we continually train them as they mature while in our possession (sometimes several months) or we put custom training on a dog based on a customer's request. Then we deliver such trained dog or people come here and get 4 + days handler's course. Course, regardless how long, is free with the purchase of a trained dog, if taken on our location. Now that is what we do. But most do not do that. You do not need to do any of this or anything similar with Prada bag. I hope this helps you to understand the difference between purchasing on Internet a Prada bag or a trained dog. Prager Hans |
by Chaz Reinhold on 17 December 2011 - 02:13 |
| Jim, I understood the analogy. Frank skipped the high priced middleman and bought direct at a lower rate. Same product, different price. |
Chaz Reinhold by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 02:23 |
| Slamdunc said: Hans, it's good to know that you are still trying to educate yourself. How about checkIng your facts on the HD. 50% of GSD's have HD? Quite a large number. Can you reference your source for those statistics so I can be better educated? The answer is Cornell University. 1991-94 Switzerland study and others. Jim do your own research. Prager Hans |
by Schaferhunden on 17 December 2011 - 02:30 |
| Propaganda Your a smart man you know what the word means?
Schaferhund
I said: How much is that worth it to you in the world where HD in GSDs is around 50%!!!! We run during that period of time 1% or less. In last 10 years we had about 3%-4%. Show me a breeder who can match that in as many pups as we have
Shaferhund said:
I do not think people on the PDB will believe this statement no person is that gullible
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by Gusmanda on 17 December 2011 - 02:38 |
| Not same product though, when you factor in the service piece, which for higher price items is considerably more important. If the original poster ends up buying direct and ends up with a lemon, that's when he/she will wish they had paid a bit more. You can buy a bag in china, if it turns out crap, the factory will not reimburse you nor replace, and you're stuck with the product because you where not careful when buying. If you buy from a reputable retailer, chances are you'll get a refund or replacement, although you paid more for the service. Same thing with dogs. For someone who is not a pro at this (like the original poster seems to be), the likeliness of something going wrong are higher than they are for someone with more experience, who knows what to look for and how to buy. Unless someone here offers to handhold the poster through the selection, purchase, import, AND guarantee no issues down the line, I think it makes more sense to go with someone who WILL offer it, with the service included in the price. |
Gusmanda by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 02:39 |
| OMG!!!! Chaz!!!! You guys sound like a broken record. No matter what I say you'r just grinding the same stuff which I have explained over and over and over. One more time Chaz. You are pretty smart. It is not the same product. Price of a 3 years old dog is different then the price of a dog approaching 4 years and of the dog which is 4 years is lower yet. The owner of the dog lowered her high price because she finally realized that the dog was not sellable for that price. Also the dog was cheaper due to his advancing age. As I have said elsewhere here. If Frank would wait few more years he could got the dog for free. Also there is a different service. For example the seller does sells the dog as is. If something goes wrong then she does not have replacement dog. We would replace the dog. Can you grasp that? Hans |
by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 02:43 |
| Gusmanda thank you for the voice of reason and moderation. Prager Hans |
by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 02:46 |
| Schaferhund it is not a propaganda. Why don't you come here and I show you the records. Oh! I know, you will say that I falsified them. What ever..... Hans |
by Slamdunc on 17 December 2011 - 02:57 |
| Chaz, Thank you for that succinct summary of my analogy. I knew you would understand. For clarity, the Prada bag was Gusmanda's analogy not mine. I just clarified it terms of this thread and what we were talking about. Of course a dog is not a commodity like a Prada bag and the comparison would not be accurate unless we were talking about the same exact dog, which in this context is merely a commodity. Bought direct as compared to buying through an agent, broker or wholesaler, as Frank did and some others very recently. Jim |
by frankm205 on 17 December 2011 - 03:12 |
| Chaz you are 100% correct. I bought the same exact dog Hans was trying to sell me for 9,000 for 6,000. Hans was sending me e mails on this dog and I had already been in contact with the owner. This is why it is most important to take the middle man out of the equation in any business and get the product you desire straight from the source. The thing that pisses me off about Hans is the way he trys to sweet talk his way and tell me what a great price he is offering me on this male dog Ar since I already bought a 1600 dollar puppy from him. A fake guy for sure. ( the puppy is a story for another day) The whole thing about the dog being older therefor cheaper in this instance is bull&#^$ He got caught trying to screw me and now is being exposed for his selfish deeds period! Is Hans entitled to make a 3,000 profit on the sale of a dog for doing almost nothing? Absolutely not in my opinion. There are some however that will pay the extra money because they don't have connections with other people who can help them. Thus his business will probably survive. It is up to us to weed out these dealers who over promise and under deliver and help educate those who don't know any better. Don't be fooled with all the talk he did not invent the Czech lines. Find the breeders and by pass the dealers, you will get the same dog for thousands , yes thousands less!! And to everyone who keeps e mailing me about Hans and his dirty deeds....thanks for your support! Frank |
by Jenni78 on 17 December 2011 - 03:51 |
| Seems like a lot of people take issue with capitalism. A dog is worth what someone will pay for it. A good deal is when the buyer and seller are both satisfied. |
Jenni78 by Chaz Reinhold on 17 December 2011 - 03:58 |
| No, Jenni. I love it. I love it that there are people running around buying 10 leap frog lap tops at a time and selling them on ebay for double the price. I love it. Anytime an individual preys upon the ignorant, I get all warm inside. |
by Jenni78 on 17 December 2011 - 04:55 |
| Well, there are lots of other countries that might suit you better then. |
by Chaz Reinhold on 17 December 2011 - 05:06 |
| No, I love the US. Capitalism is one small piece of the pie. Because I don't agree with someone's view of capitalism, doesn't mean I'm anti-American. There are numerous capitalistic countries besides America. Just because I hate to see gauging, doesn't mean I'm a socialist. |
by Gusmanda on 17 December 2011 - 05:15 |
| the moral to the bag analogy is that the price AND service (or terms and conditions) vary quiet a bit in the supply chain, the more you go down, the harder and more likely it is that you get screwed if you don't know what you are doing. In this case, the customer does not appear to be familiar with the business. last words before I head out on vacation: to the original poster: if price is within your range, and at the end of the day the pup fits your needs, I'd say treat yourelf to the pup. Avoiding having to import the dog yourself and other potential issues will be worth it, in my opinion. to everyone else: have a nice holiday season and don't drink too much on new years eve!! And try not to bash each other as much, it does not speak well of the industry as a whole. See you guys in two weeks!! |
by Jenni78 on 17 December 2011 - 05:15 |
| Well, you're jumping to conclusions. I didn't call you anything. Pure and simple capitalism is the reason we're having a debate about what a puppy is worth, which is all I commented on. Not sure why you'd jump to "anti-American" and "socialist" just because of my comment. |
by aaykay on 17 December 2011 - 05:17 |
| What I do know about is that importing a dog into the UK is not a walk in the park......a pretty complicated exercise, from everything I have heard. As long as the buyer does not have an intimate understanding of what he/she is buying, I would stick to well-known sellers like Jinopo, who know these "products" intimately. Bottomline, the buyer needs to decide if he wants to pay the price for a reliably top-quality puppy. I personally would pay the money, just for the peace of mind.......after all, the dog that I get, will be around for a decade or more and a structurally/temperamentally sound dog, would make that period of ownership a lot more pleasurable. |
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