German Shepherd Dog > GSD breeder arrested in CT (119 replies)
GSD breeder arrested in CT
by JakodaCD OA on 03 December 2011 - 13:28
by Turbo on 03 December 2011 - 15:13
|Sad, sad, sad............these poor GSD's living like this......thank-god the dogs have been removed from the home and these horrendous living condition's. Hopefully she can never breed dogs again.................|
by cphudson on 03 December 2011 - 15:46
|Wow, this makes the 3rd GSD breeder in CT to be arrested for animal living conditions in the last 5 years. This year a Mastiff Breeder & another small dog breeder were also arrested. This woman contacted me once wanting me to whelp out litters, I turn down her offer.|
by brynjulf on 03 December 2011 - 16:32
|We are all next people. Think about it. I keep dogs in my house with no bedding ( they get too hot) and no water! They are sport dogs so you can see the back two ribs. Are they going to taken as malnourished? No there is no dog smell but.................One mans starved dog is another mans athlete. Of course I dont know this woman but it is getting scary out there!|
by cphudson on 03 December 2011 - 16:51
|I don't know this woman either, & brynjulf totally understand where your coming from. Other than the stolen dog it's hard to tell from this article if the dogs were really bone thin or just in current work / show condition. Some places are very strict on their opinions for dog breeding, which normally don't understand the hunting / working / show dog culture for caring for the dogs.|
I feel very sad for the dogs if they were abused / mistreated.
by Smiley on 03 December 2011 - 17:28
|Think she is president of local schutzhund club.|
by brynjulf on 03 December 2011 - 17:39
|I have seen enough "seized" animals in my day to know that thin (healthy) is seen by the powers that be as malnourished. I get alot of SPCA dogs in for training and grooming. Fat (obese) is the new standard and it scares me to death.|
These dogs may have been abused, I don't know but I am seeing alot of misuse of power in the animal welfare movement. They won't be happy until we are no longer breed or have pets.
If the dogs were truely abused then it is indeed a shame.
by Dog1 on 03 December 2011 - 17:55
|No bedding in an otherwise clean crate is different than living in feeces. Inside a house is different than outside in the cold. One dog running loose? How horrible! Is it a crime for a dog to be loose in YOUR house? If so; I think me and a lot of other people are in trouble. She's probably lucky the dog wasn't shot considering all the pets in the news that are shot for no reason by police entering houses these days.|
No water in the dishes or pail? The dishes and pails are there. Maybe the dogs drank the water and made it disappear that way? Did the dogs need water or is the problem there's a law that says a full water bucket is required on a crate at all times.
Thinning hair? Now we have to police hair loss and it's a crime for you to have a dog that's loosing hair? Maybe even blowing their coat? What do we do with our dogs when they blow their coat? Mine look pretty naked from time to time. What does the law say about that?
of the 12 dogs confiscated, one had long nails, well that's a different story. I was OK until I read about the one dog out of 12 that had long nails. Something must be done about this. I can see why someone had to get out a search warrant and confiscate a persons personal property now. It all seems justified now.
by barkroz on 03 December 2011 - 18:13
|I think without knowing all the specifics of the situation it might be shortsighted to over-comment. However, that being said, this might be a good opportunity, rather than to point fingers, to both look to the dog sport community and within at the conditions that these animals often find themselves in. I think for some fanciers and some small and large breeders alike, they find themselves in a situation with many animals, and have inadequate resources, in time, finances and space...to really give these animals the existance they both need and deserve. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon to see people thinking they are adequately caring for their animals leaving them in a crate almost 24hours a day with a couple of trips to the bathroom or keeping them kenneled all the time, no social stimuation, no "satisfaction driven" exercise. These dogs are bright, loyal and love a job. This kind of existance for this breed in particular is "not" even adequate care. If they are being contained for larger periods of time, they need a counter balance to this life, fun, work exercise, affection. I don't think these individuals intend to get into this situation, most anyway-for some it IS just the money, but find themselves ill equiped to provide "many dogs" or even a couple of dogs, with the life they "really" need...exercise, work, good food, good health care and affection suited to that dog. Perhaps these instances are an opportunity for our community to look at itself and "make" good decisions to downsize or to provide correct existances for these wonderful animals (for those that do have the resources but did just get into a bit of a thoughtless care pattern). I am sure this will piss a few people off, but as a community, I think those of us that take the time to provide a good life for our dogs certainly know this to be the truth, and most of the individuals that have the other set up, in their hearts, know they are "not" doing the right thing.|
by 4 mals2sheps on 03 December 2011 - 19:00
Bryaulf. you are correct can we say Peta !!!!! Did you all know that they do not want you to even hunt or any sports with your dog,shame on me mine have 5 acres to run fenced in stay in crates when I'm at work (Vet Tech) no bedding they eat it,no water they play in it, have to sadate one because can't cut nails,one male pee's on my deck all neutered,all out when I'm home amd sometimes they get a tummy ache a oh no accident in crate shame on me .Don't be blinded by people who are looking for a TV interview and a pat on the back no matter how out landis there claim is.
by brynjulf on 03 December 2011 - 19:35
|Around here they take them out of fenced yards...The thought is that you are being cruel by having them outside in a yard. I swear you can not win. There is a group in Vancouver that wears fake uniforms and have trucks painted with animal control on them. These ladies are actually stealing peoples dogs! It is very frightening.|
by Brandoggy on 03 December 2011 - 19:39
|There had to be multiple warnings to DM and then after checks ---obviously she didn't comly and they took her dogs. It's not like they just barged in with no warnings before.......|
by Rass on 03 December 2011 - 20:23
|The article is pretty silent on a lot of things.. other than there was a complaint from October 26th. |
Dogs in Crates when no one is home is NOT uncommon. Stacking crates in not uncommon if there is a good barrier between the crates. If the dogs are mostly intact, they really can't just be left loose in the house.. you might not have a house left when you come home if you work. You might have fewer live dogs when you return than when you left if you just leave 'em all loose.
Dogs in crates with no water is pretty common in November. Mine do have water in their crates though one of them does think that water is her personal Day Spa (even in the outdoor kennel).
They said the place smelled of feces and urine but did not indicate the dogs were housed in crates that had feces and urine in them... and the dogs were housed in feces or urine.
Lots of people keep their dogs thin and the dog is healthy.
The story does make you wonder.
Not saying I am sticking up for the breeder but as a dog owner, I would surely like to know the extent of the abuse of these dogs beyond that article. It was unclear.
by barkroz on 03 December 2011 - 20:54
|I think the details make the case against this breeder pretty vague, I agree with the last writer about that. I certainly disagree with the PETA mantra and the extremist legistration attempts against our dog breeders. "Big Brother's" involvement here is extremely dangerous for all of us. Policing this issue is near impossible and should be. Our dog's existances are as individual and diverse as are our own lives and capabilities. That being said, I do think that if we as a community do not create a "culture" of what is appropriate and start to confront those breeders and individuals that clearly are neglecting or mistreating their animals, we open the door for these idiot organizations to do their thing and make a perhaps less that perfect situation look like some kind of puppy mill mistreatment center. This is the danger. I think alot of people turn the other way because either the person's pretty nice and maybe a little chaotic, or they don't want to say anything because the person abusing their dog is a powerful individual in the community. This is where education for everyone involved becomes important...for example yes your dog's been in the crate all day because you worked like a "dog" all day, but hopefully it has an outlet at night. If you know your buddy has 20 dogs in the garage in crates and is playing video games all day, have the balls to confront him or her and tell them to get off their ass and work the dogs or get rid of a few, particularly if you know these animals are not be worked or exercised or "anything!!" We are then responsible, at least indirectly, when an outsider comes in and sees this situation and over sensationalizes it. Perhaps all those animals are well fed, spoken to well, have adequate veternary care. Still, all in all, it is a pretty shitty life, still looks bad for dog fanciers and breeders. Obviously we cannot fix everyone, but we could address the issue prior to some idiot organization taking our rights away. And this starts, as always, by taking a look at ourselves and what are own practices, have we grown lazy, have we over extended our resources... .|
by beetree on 03 December 2011 - 21:59
|Rationalize the stacking up of a dozen German Shepherds inside a residential home all you want, but there always seems to be a history of some things done, not quite right.... And interestingly enough, "they" are in the process of wiping their info clean, I saw it with my very eyes, one second I saw their page info and in the next second--- "poof" gone.|
by JakodaCD OA on 03 December 2011 - 22:30
|this was the same person who 'stole' a dog she sold because the owners decided they wanted to neuter it and she didn't want it done.|
I think beetree posted the link to the story. She was arrested and put on probation for a couple years.
I have no knowledge of her 'conditions', but having lived here in CT my entire life, this state and AC's don't seem to be ones that go in and remove animals for no reasons like you may hear some do. Just sayin.
by brynjulf on 03 December 2011 - 23:08
|Hey it could be a case of neglect absolutely no doubt. HOWEVER more and more, animal control is seizing animals. My point is don't trust the media. We dont have all of the facts in this case. If she is an animal abuser then she deserves what is coming to her. That said if she is innocent, her reputation is already sullied by this post and the news report. How fair is that? Was it the people who she stole the dog from that called AC? Anyhow I'm sure my point has been made.|
by charity on 03 December 2011 - 23:59
by beetree on 04 December 2011 - 00:29
|I doubt it. Animal control around here doesn't move or act to settle neighbor disputes, frivolously. Seizing animals costs towns lots of money and stresses out the resources for local rescues. Money is tight in case you aren't aware. This isn't a hang nail.|
Dawn lost at court, don't forget.
by charity on 04 December 2011 - 00:49
|I was referring back to Randy's post.|
Unless I miis my guess, he was being a little sarcastic, as was I.
We've had neighbor sqabbles in the town not far from us. One trying to cause a lot of trouble for someone else.
In our area, if there is a complaint, someone must investigate. Once they are there they can seize the dogs if they feel the situation warrants it.
Don't know how it works in other jurisdictions.