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bleeding day 55 of pregnancy im devistated by louise1978 on 28 November 2011 - 00:27 |
| Today was day 55 of my german shepards preganancy she started spotting and i took her to the vets 3 hours ago she was scanned at 4 weeks and everythign has been totally normal she is 6 now and i did one litter when she was 2 and a half went perfect. This time i knew the spotting which turned into a light period bleed wasnt right. Took her the vets out of hours emergency and she has aborted only one left dead inside her im absolutly devistated. I only bred her to keep a bitch myself as she is such a fantastic dog and beautifull looking. Anyway she is now spayed and i just wanted to add the vet said it was so rare only they have seen this once every 5 years or so i cant believe it ?? I feel so guilty thinkinghow could i have prevented it i wish i knew what truly caused it but seeing her digging today 8 days early i thought they were just nesting signs seems the last pup had formed skeletal bones and she couldnt re absorb so i wanted to just heed warning really any blood isnt normal and please seek medical attention. Im so glad i havnt lost my bitch but im devistated iv lost my pups too. |
by Jyl on 28 November 2011 - 00:32 |
| I am so sorry to hear this. Glad your bitch is ok and koodos to you for knowing something wasnt right and getting her to the vet ASAP! |
Jyl by louise1978 on 28 November 2011 - 01:04 |
| Thanks you just know your dog in pregnancy the blood i knew instantly wasnt right and im glad i didnt wait as she was contracting but not dilating so would of been stuck many may think leave till the morning see how she goes ect but in my case could of been horrific for her. You just build your hopes up for a healthy litter i only bred her to keep one myself as she is such a beautifull dog i dont want anyone elses and to be fair iv never seen any as nice as her line even the stud i used was similar to her thought id got it so right. Just shows how it isnt all plain sailing just hard to understand when its not sunk in yet :( |
by Kalibeck on 28 November 2011 - 01:39 |
| Never plain sailing, is it? So sorry for your loss, & I'm glad the bitch is OK. I wanted so badly to have another like my beautiful bitch, I kept back the 2 females from her only ever litter. Both now have health issues, & are being spayed. I guess I'm very dissapointed as well. Stuff happens for a reason. If the pups were right, it probably would have gone OK. Nature knows best. I'm just grateful my girls will be well cared for, & will live well loved lives. And so your girl will, too. Enjoy her, & consider yourself blessed to have saved her. You may never have another like her, but at least you still have her. Best wishes, jackie harris |
Kalibeck by djc on 28 November 2011 - 07:33 |
| So so sorry for your loss! This just happened today? Please please watch her closely. It just irks me that some vets think they need to spay the bitch immediately after delivery, or a C section!! This is such a dangerous thing to do!!! I was a vet tech for 6 years and the vets I worked for wouldn't even do a spay on a dog that was anywhere near her season, let alone when the uterus is so swollen and vascular!! I've heard of several that bled to death because of it. Once the swelling starts to go down the sutures are no longer tight and small bleeders could be easily missed. I had a customer once that blamed me that the bitch she purchased from me delivered 4 pups and then the contractions just stopped. She didn't give her Oxytocin or anything, just took her to the vet. The vet did a c section and saved the pups inside, but told the owner that the dog should never be bred again because she had problems and should be spayed immediately. This customer signed those puppies death warrant by letting the vet do it. They all ended up dying because a spayed bitch can not produce milk!! The owner did not know how to manage newborns well enough to save them. Yet she to this day blames me and those bloodlines for loosing the litter. But back to the specific topic.... keep a close eye on her demeanor and her gums and treat her with kit gloves for the next week or so. I don't want to over worry you, but I also don't want you to think that she's out of the woods yet. Debby |
djc by eichenluft on 28 November 2011 - 09:27 |
| Some vets won't do the c-section/spay but some will - actually the spay procedure makes the c-section easier and faster, safer for the puppies and faster surgery for the mother too. I normally do c-section/spay on my females for their (obviously) last litter, never had a problem and yes the female does produce milk. |
by amysavesjacks on 28 November 2011 - 12:04 |
| I too am a vet tech... and the only time I have seen a vet spay at the same time is if the dog has a Pyometra (uterine infection). Djd is right, it is too dangerous. |
amysavesjacks by djc on 28 November 2011 - 13:38 |
| You are very lucky Molly. It's not the norm nor should it be done. It is NOT safe for the mother in any way shape or form. |
by louise1978 on 28 November 2011 - 22:12 |
| Thanks for your posts shes doing just fine on her pain killers and comfertable im off to be bed its been a long 24 hours |
by eichenluft on 29 November 2011 - 08:22 |
| I have done it many more times for it to be "lucky" - if the vet isn't comfortable doing a c-section and spay at the same time, then don't do it. If the vet is comfortable, shouldn't be a problem. I have had most of my older females spayed at the same time as their last litter was born via c-section. No problems whatsoever. Fast recovery, plenty of milk, no problem. In fact I was just at the vet tonight x-raying one of my chihuahuas - one large puppy - so it's c-section we will go, and spay at the same time. 4 lb chihuahua - and no I'm not worried about it at all. molly |
by djc on 30 November 2011 - 17:57 |
| I will politely disagree Molly. More than a few have bled to death from such a dangerous procedure! The hormones are gone once the ovaries are gone and it is not uncommon for there to be milk production problems along with it. If you've had good luck and wish to take chances with your dog that's your prerogative. But don't go giving others a false sense of security just because you have had no problems. A c section is risky in and of it's self, let alone adding the spay to a swollen, extremely vascular organ! Debby |
by eichenluft on 01 December 2011 - 04:54 |
| No problems with MANY c-section/spays. No problems recovering from surgery, no problems producing milk. No problems. Never. Maybe I have an uncommonly good vet. Doubt it - I'll recommend it because IMO it's better for the female to not go through two major surgeries (c-section and spay) when it can be done at the same time with no problems. I guess the chances of catastrophic problems could happen with any surgery but it would be unlikely as with "just c-section" or "just spay" surgeries - there is always a chance of problems whenever you put the dog under anesthesia and cut them open. I just picked up my 4 lb chihuahua who had a c-section and spay today, she's doing absolutely fine as is her one puppy who is nursing happily. molly |
by djc on 13 December 2011 - 18:10 |
| If you care about your dog, DO NOT believe Molly! It is nothing like any other kind of surgery. The organ being swollen and vascular, even if the vet does the sutures very tightly, as the swelling goes down the sutures can loosen and cause the dog to bleed to death. The dog is usually in a weakened and stressed out state in the first place. Do you want to take that chance? I sure don't! I"ve seen the worst happen! It is FAR safer to wait until the dog is healthy and not under stress to have a spay done. Debby |
by Sunsilver on 13 December 2011 - 18:31 |
| When an infection is present in the uterus, the vet really has no choice but to do both, or risk sowing bacteria throughout the whole of the abdominal cavity. Yes, it IS risky, and I nearly lost a female to a regular spay, that was probably done too close to her coming into season. Mind you, that vet was seriously incompetent, and a friend's dog bled to death following a spay for pyometria. |
Sunsilver by eichenluft on 13 December 2011 - 19:03 |
| c-section and spay at the same time is certainly risky but no more risky than a c-section done when the female's uterus is pregnant and extremely vascular. Doing both at the same time reduces the risk of a second major surgery holding similar risks when doing a separate spay later. But it should be something the owner and vet discusses together to make an educated decision, as I have many times with very good results. molly |
by JudyK on 13 December 2011 - 20:09 |
| My repro vet won't even consider a c section/spay at the same time for the reasons Debby mentioned. That's assuming that it's an elective situation, not an immediate emergency. Judy |
by djc on 14 December 2011 - 01:07 |
| The difference between just a C-section and a spay is that when doing a c-section the surgeon is careful not to cut any major blood vessels. During a spay major blood vessels must be cut. THAT is a Major difference! A routine spay when the uterus does not have any swelling and the dog is healthy is FAR safer. Yes, what has to be done in an emergency is a different story, because of saving the life of the dog many other chances have to be taken. Debby |
by eichenluft on 14 December 2011 - 01:54 |
| Many many (many many many) rescue and shelter dogs are spayed while they are in heat, and when they are pregnant. Happens probably many hundreds of times daily all over the country. How many die because of the surgery during pregnancy/heatcycle/spay? Probably a few when you're talking so many dogs. But a huge increased risk due to the spay during heat/pregnancy - probably not in reality. molly |
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