German Shepherd Dog > Guaranteeing Temperament on my puppies, looking for opinions. (18 replies)
Guaranteeing Temperament on my puppies, looking for opinions.
by von Harasymtzuk on 23 November 2011 - 02:08
I guarantee temperament/drives on my puppies because I want clients to be happy with the puppy they get from me but I find that many breeders find this offensive and tell me I am naive for doing so, of course there is the risk that the client could mess up the dog but I grew up with poorly bred dogs(BYB's) so I don't know, I just think it's important that people get what they want. So I am curious as to how others feel about my offering this type of guarantee and if others offer the same type of guarantee in their contract. Just a question, my goal isn't to start a thread of war. lol
by cphudson on 23 November 2011 - 02:21
I stand behind all the dogs I sell, but don't give general guarrantees on temperament / drives in for pet homes. So much can change once a puppy enters into the buyers home.
I do however have a working dog guarrantee: All dogs purchase for working purposes will have the correct temperament, structure, & health to perform their jobs. If they are unable to certify or title due to temperament, or genetic health issue, then Watcher Engel K9 will provide a replacement dog of equal value at its next availability.
by melba on 23 November 2011 - 02:31
|This is just me, but I belive that if I think the home does not have the experience to handle and bring about the best in|
the puppy/dog, then I don't sell them a dog. You can't guarantee for everything and you have no control over how the
puppy is cared for after it leaves you. If someone wants a guarantee of temperament, then they buy an older puppy/young
dog or adult such as what cphudson stated. That is how you guarantee temperament. If you buy a new car and rag it out,
you can't come back to the dealer in a few years and demand a new one because of the care you gave it, can you? I mean,
I'm having a heck of a time getting warrantied parts replaced, let alone if broke because I didn't take care of it properly.
If new owners don't understand this and are not knowledgeable or capable of raising a puppy, then you should not be selling
them a puppy.
by von Harasymtzuk on 23 November 2011 - 02:32
|Right, I agree. So much can change, owners can make a mistake and destroy the dog but for working homes I guarantee temperament, I feel it's fair and shows that I am confident in my breeding program. Lately I have been getting insulted by other breeders, mainly on the East Coast (where I'm located) about my guarantees, many of them are "well known" breeders so I was just wondering about what others do. Thank you so much for your response. <3|
Edit: In my guarantee there is a time cap on the temperament guarantee, it's not for life.
by ILGSDs on 23 November 2011 - 02:32
|This is a very nice offer. If I where shopping an offer like this would put your kennel at the top of my list by offering this guarantee. Honestly I beleive that a good minded dog can be rehabilitated and if a person isnt happy with their dog I would want it back anyway. The dog deserves better. I have never seen anyone offer this sort of gaurantee but that dosnt mean it sohuld not be done, if you can afford to do it/have the room and time to take back dogs I say go for it.|
by ILGSDs on 23 November 2011 - 02:33
|btw if they are insulting you that says alot about them...JMO|
by von Harasymtzuk on 23 November 2011 - 02:49
|IL, I'm with you there...I also put in my contract that I will buy a dog back in the event they don't like the dog, can't keep, decide to sell or give away...I check local shelters too because not everyone abides by the contract, last year I found a sable Shepherd in a shelter, looked like he could have been out of one of my litters, I had to push for it but I did DNA, turns out he wasn't from my litter. The SPCA around my area is horrible, they put down over 70% of the dogs they get in...that's a lot...too many. There are a lot of pit bulls around here, I just checked the other day, over 40 pit bulls in a single shelter, terrible.|
by Jenni78 on 23 November 2011 - 03:20
|I would guarantee temperament in certain aspects, PROVIDED the buyer kept in touch and allowed me to offer advice in certain situations, meaning, I don't want to hear 2-3 years after I sold the puppy that all of a sudden it's got major temperament problems. If it didn't show itself in SOME WAY early on (which is why I like to be kept advised), then imo, it's not genetic. I can see genetic issues in pretty young pups. Now, I try to place dogs in appropriate homes and minimize these issues.|
I wouldn't have a problem guaranteeing a certain type temperament if that would make a buyer more comfortable. I haven't stated that in so many words in my guarantee because I think my lifetime buyback guarantee for ANY reason supercedes it.
by waleed on 23 November 2011 - 06:14
|i wish i can win the lotto|
by von Harasymtzuk on 23 November 2011 - 06:28
|Many pet home buyers do not follow the rules of the contract, I ask that people keep in contact with me, keep their pup at a healthy weight, tell me who their vet is, send updated pictures every 6 months, many don't. I guess I am strict but it's for a reason, I want my puppys in a good home, and I WANT to keep in contact. I am not going to stop guaranteeing temperament to working homes, but pet homes, not sure what to do with them. When I sell a pup, I want to know how the pup is doing, and like you said don't contact me 2-3 years later, even with working homes I said I put a time cap on the guarantee...when I sell a puppy I cannot stress enough that they can contact me ANY time day or night, I don't care if it's a stupid question, well I sold an older puppy, she got lose not an hour of being in their posession, instead of calling me immediately they chased her, she was terrified I imagine, finally after realizing they were idiots they called me at 1am, 7 hours after she got lose, they went to bed, I searched for her until I started hallucinating, for 2 almost weeks trucking through the snow....*I* put up lost posters offering a reward, they refused to, I came close to getting her, I will never forget that day...she was running down a major highway, I yelled her name and ran but she couldn't hear me then she jumped 2 6ft fences and we never saw her again. Twice the couple could have called me to save her LIFE, I was almost always in the area for 2 weeks (over 600 miles in less then 2 weeks) I was 2 minutes away one day, they had time to have some guy run to McDonalds, come back and try to lure her in, when she took off then they called me. I think they knew I was going to try and repossess her...okay, enough talking about this, just upsets me. People are so stupid...I screen and screen potential clients but, you just never know....|
by myret on 23 November 2011 - 11:48
|here in Denmark there is a warranty on a dog for his first 2 years and the breeders are breeder must provide either a refund or a new dog, often does the guarantee on the dogs' health and also on the drives so that youcan in Denmark destroy his dog So for instance cycling with the puppy for long walks every day and the breeder must Beale buyermoney if the dog has HD|
by kitkat3478 on 23 November 2011 - 14:07
| I guarantee hips, health and temperment with my pups (I guess you can more or less say I WARRANTY them), for the life of the dog.|
I will always take back a dog that came from me, and if any issue arises, I will gladly offer a replacement, with the hope the person wants to keep their original dog.
(I don't like the whole throw-away dog thing).
Thank goodness I have NEVER had to fall back on my guarantee.
There are many things that can happen in a dogs life that changes the dog. I too, will NOT send a dog off where I don't feel comfortable with the person. When someone comes to my home that my dogs don't like, they won't get a pup from me.
My pups are always born in the house, and raised in the house. I am fortunate enough to have room for them inside, as well as outside.
They spend a great deal of time under foot, played with by kids, out with me feeding ducks, goats and horses, vaccumed around, and driven in the car. They are usually all very confident of themselves by the time they leave. I think that a great puppy imprint on the first weeks of a dog's life goes a long way into their adult hood. It's much easier to hep a dog up than in is to correct and quiet bad behavior later on.
Of course most of mine go to pet homes, which is fine by me. I do have one that is a certified narcotics detection dog with the NYS Police, with a second one in training, and a couple in sch homes(only shows they are capable).
I only breed dogs that have great temperments. I would never consider breeding with a questionable temperment. Any dog can start out at point A and end up at point B. You can only hope your pup stays where you placed him.
I also request pictures and updates on my dogs, most comply, some don't. I think a total guarantee demonstrates confidence in what you produce. I don't understand some of these 1 year hip guarantees, and than require the return of the original dog to boot (hell, I see several right here on the database that never even got the dog they paid for, let alone stand behind the guarantee).
Great dogs and a good guarantee goes a long way. I always have a waiting list for pups!
by Two Moons on 23 November 2011 - 17:32
What are the pedigree's of your breed stock?
I'm curious about the kinds of drive and temperament you guarantee, what are they?
I am also curious as to price, I'm always looking for a great deal with a guarantee.
How many litters a year do you produce, and from how many bitches?
Do you compete with your dogs and at what venues?
by cphudson on 23 November 2011 - 19:43
|Kitkat I agree with your last post.|
I too raise all litter inside the home & take great care in placement. I stand behind all my dogs & will take back / replace any dog in the future if needed. We offer a 3 year guarantee on any genetic disorder or temperament fault. The original dog does not have to be return, but must be altered before a replacement is given. We help our family of puppy buyers with reunions, training clinics, play dates, or just a phone call away. I'm not a large breeder & like staying small so we can take the time on our dogs / each litter. Our litters are generally sold prior to being whelped, but many times we'll have puppies that don't fit the family that reserved him / her prior. Normally because of the drive level.
We incorporate early Neurological Stimulation with all litters. People that have reserved a puppy in the litter receive video clips of the litters development weekly until 8 weeks old. Most families know the entire litter well by the time they come to our open house to pick up their puppy. It's always fun to see how much everyone gets attached to certain puppies other than their own this way.
We hold a few puppies back from every litter for our Luke working dog charity Fund, a non- profit fund we've started in memory of our late son, Luke. Families / agencies in need of a high quality working dog, but can not afford one in their budgets, may qualify for a donated started dog at no fee. Donated dogs for; police, SAR, all fields of service work. We've donated many dogs for police, SAR, & several for autism service dogs for children. Also for physical & hearing disabled service dog work.
I've purchased many imported dogs that were great working dogs, but either were difficult to train, not good with children, had odd behaviors, minor health issues etc.. all of which were altered then placed into correct homes. If you don't have stable temperaments, solid nerves, & health you don't have anything worth while in a GSD.
by von Harasymtzuk on 24 November 2011 - 01:39
I have 1-2 litters per year, taking a break though.....this is the current litter I have on the ground. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=724706 They are Branko Salztalblick grandchildren and Alexa has very old blood. Asko Lutter, Fado, Uwe, her dam is Mink and Fero free.
I guarantee drives/temperament starting at 7 months to over a year old. The Dam Alexa has only had 3 litters, and this is her last... I do not overbreed and like I said I want people to be happy and I am confident in the pups that come out of my home, I will PM you with more information if you'd like.
by Two Moons on 24 November 2011 - 04:46
While I was waiting I took a look at your adds.
I was curious but not really interested, I have pups on the ground myself.
In my opinion, and from some experience, I do think that demanding contracts and some guarantee's are fools play, and more trouble than they are worth beyond making the sale.
Hard to enforce on either side of the deal without the help of legal council.
I'm sure they are fine animals, and your a consciences breeder as are all the breeders who frequent this site.
The price isn't really important.
The important thing is ones reputation in the end, a fragile thing indeed.
by Love My Canine on 27 November 2011 - 04:53
Deleted this and 2 comments previous, please stay on topic Love my canine, thank you. mrdarcy (admin)
by von Harasymtzuk on 27 November 2011 - 13:02
|No thread goes untarnished.|
by kitkat3478 on 27 November 2011 - 13:55
|thank you mrdarcy!|