German Shepherd Dog > Which breed to choose for Mondio and SAR (12 replies)
Which breed to choose for Mondio and SAR
by miev77 on 31 October 2011 - 01:56
|I have 3 years experience in Schutzhund, titled my female to Sch1. My mother currently owns her as her PPD since becoming single and living on her own and I am wanting to get into Mondio with a club here in Dallas, TX. I also volunteer at the SAR group and want to become a handler doing that as well. I have a family and this dog would be indoors when we are home and outdoors when we are not until maturity.|
I have always wanted a Mal but I hear they are less forgiving of handler errors, now being a novice handler am I ready for a Mal or will I just end up screwing him up if I make a mistake during training? I know my GSD led me a lot of times on what to do and even when I made a mistake she could correct herself is a Mal like this as well? I do need a dog with a lot of drive but I also need them to have a clear head and not bite first ask questions later.
I know theres some sweeping generalizatinos and stereotypes about both breeds and I am well familiar with them but personal unbiased opinions would definitely help in my decision. I am looking to find one by the end of the month, maybe within a week or two.
These are the few I am looking at. The first one is a black female GSD http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=730257 out of this litter. And a few videos of her. http://youtu.be/g5w3K6FpVR8 and http://youtu.be/BqqGIIwByCo
Also http://vomkiahaus.com/litters.html she has 2 females which seem to be good prospects.
The next is a Mal female from this litter http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/belgian_malinois/classifieds/139656.html
So that is basically what I have found here they all have pups available although I haven't been in contact yet with Mohawk kennels to discuss my wants and needs. What do you guys about which breed and also about those pups, I know my budget is around $1000 for a pup + me driving no more than 12 hours each way to pick them up from Texas so if these aren't good choices maybe you can direct me to something better.
Appreciate the help.
by darylehret on 31 October 2011 - 11:47
A dog that is suitable for engaging in a bite sport AND SAR requires a particularly special balance of temperament and drives that would definitely be a "steal" if you could find it in a gsd for under a $1000. I'd guess you'll find better luck with the mal breed, given your budget and search area. But also, you should probably be looking at older pups or young adults, rather than puppies, to be sure of the temperament.
by 4 mals2sheps on 31 October 2011 - 12:32
|Can't go wrong with Mohawkmalinois heard good things about him and his dogs are are in my older mals.great dogs.|
by GSDNewbie on 31 October 2011 - 15:19
|I personally would not choose a mal to do both sport and sar with.|
by miev77 on 31 October 2011 - 16:25
|@ Daryl sorry i havent seen much difference between the 1000 puppy and the most expensive 1500 dollar puppy. I have seen mutts do schutzhund and shelter dogs do SAR I find it hard to believe I cannot find a GSD or mal to do both, I have seen plenty of SAR dogs titled in protection sports before. I am sure if I wanted to wait another 6 months I could find more dogs but those are the ones that are available to me within the next few months.|
I think I am leaning toward a Mal anyways, new breed, new learning experience, different personalities should be fun.
by darylehret on 31 October 2011 - 16:39
|I disagree if you think suitable prospects for both are plentiful, but good luck. Few enough gsd's could do well in MR alone, IMO. And few enough are worth their salt in SAR as well.|
by GSDNewbie on 31 October 2011 - 16:58
|I agree with what darylehret said.|
by hunger4justice on 31 October 2011 - 18:14
|A lot of SAR organizations will not allow a protection trained dog to work with them. Some do allow SchH I, some not at all.|
by GSDNewbie on 31 October 2011 - 18:23
|That is also true. I was unable to train schutzhund while I was in sar with my group.|
by myret on 31 October 2011 - 18:57
|I would take a look at the french kennels ,I just want to france to get a pup from french lines and dogs with ring litle, I dont agree that the gsd can not do the work,but wonder why many breeders dont do enough to breed the gsd to keep up being one of the lost versatile working dogs istead of only breeding and training schh titled dogs . ÆIf france is to away dont know where to look|
by Siantha on 31 October 2011 - 21:19
|yep on our sar application it asks if the dog has done schh ring or other protection sports. and if your dogs have a schh 1 or any title that included bite training you could not do even with a cgc and such.|
by miev77 on 01 November 2011 - 01:14
|Thanks for the replies so far guys I do believe I am going to get a Malinois and try my hand in Mondio. SAR takes up enough time without a dog to handle so I will just stick with ring sports for now. Now the eternal question male or female? I am leaning towards male for a mal although I know it all depends on the specific dog.|
Guess I will be buying from mohawkmalinois anyone have a dog from John? He has 4 males ready in 3 weeks from Jack who is pretty impressive.
by GSDNewbie on 01 November 2011 - 02:44
|This has read mal all along so why is it in the gsd section?|