German Shepherd Dog > Czech lines and finding a breeder (49 replies)
by Slamdunc on 01 November 2011 - 22:32
|I just like to clarify as this often confuses me: when someone says they have a trained LE canine. IMO, if the dog is only trained and doesn't actually work the street he is not a patrol dog. It is not much different than PSA or any other dog sport. I think training potential k9's in tracking, building searches, obedience and bite work is awesome to prepare them to be sold to a Dept. It is all "sport" work or training until the dog hits the street and works with a Police K-9 handler. I do not consider dogs that pass a Police style K-9 certification as "patrol" dogs or police dogs. They are dogs trained in a similar fashion. Most decent dogs with a good handler can be trained to pass a certification. I'm sure Orbi is a good dog and a fine patrol dog. I am not criticizing the dog at all. I always find it intriguing when some one says they have a "patrol" dog or a certified Street dog and are not k-9 handlers.|
by Prager on 03 November 2011 - 02:03
It is not worth it to argue with Jim.
by Slamdunc on 03 November 2011 - 04:19
|A conversation doesn't have to be an argument. A debate doesn't have to be an argument either. I offered my opinion and that is all it is, my opinion. I am smarter enough to know that I am not always right, don't know everything and am always open to new ideas and theories. I completely understand if you feel it is not worth it to respond, I very often feel the same way.|
by Prager on 03 November 2011 - 18:35
| If a person leaves police academy and is sworn he is a "police" officer at that moment, even so he never worked as such on the street.|
If a dog leaves police academy and is certified he is a "police" dog at that moment , even so he never served on the street.
A police dog, often referred to as a "K-9 dog" in some areas (which is a homophone of canine), is a dog that is trained specifically to assist police and other law-enforcement personnel in their work.
1. A dog trained to aid the police, as in tracking criminals or detecting controlled substances.
Collins English dictionary unabridbed:
(Law) a dog, often an Alsatian, trained to help the police, as in tracking
McMillan Dictionary is somewhat agreeing with you.
police dog - thesaurus entry
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of police dog
by Prager on 03 November 2011 - 18:38
by Slamdunc on 03 November 2011 - 20:01
I understand your analogy. However, in many areas a Recruit graduating the Academy still undergoes further training on the street. After this field training, which can last several months they can work independently as a "Police Officer." They are on a "probationary" period for up to 18 months. A recruit graduating the Academy has training but no real world or "street" experience. They may be "certified" Police Officers, but veteran Officers would never let them go on even a routine call by themselves. They are "shadowed" for many months, until it is decided they are capable of handling the responsibilities of the job. Some recruits graduate the Academy but fail to pass the "field training" stage and are not "cut loose" but resign or are terminated. IMO, you are not really a "Police Officer" when you graduate the Academy, nor are you ready to be a cop. Certifications and college degrees do not help at all when chasing a bad guy at 2 AM. On the job training, learned skills, proficiency under stress and experience are what count.
by Slamdunc on 03 November 2011 - 20:58
|Thus both applications are permissible .You as a cop see it as a dog on patrol and me as a dog trainer sees it as a trained dog.|
I hope that will help you to alleviate your "confusion
That is exactly correct, we see it differently and for different reasons. It is like so many other terms or defintions that get discussed, like drives, civil, hardness, defense, etc. I am going to post my defintions for these terms, including "Police K-9" in Wikipedia so my terms are the correct and accepted ones.
by destiny4u on 04 November 2011 - 01:11
|i have a half czech dog from eurosport look on their site and see what they havethey often have czech dogs and pups|
by Pirates Lair on 04 November 2011 - 01:54
|Oh yeah! Well my Czech Cat can beat your DDR Cat up! So there....|
by Jyl on 04 November 2011 - 10:02
|Kim... LOL... to funny.|