German Shepherd Dog > Waiting on the vet- anyone w/experience w/anal or rectal prolapse in a young pup? (15 replies)
Waiting on the vet- anyone w/experience w/anal or rectal prolapse in a young pup?
by Jenni78 on 22 October 2011 - 22:07
|I have a nearly 6 wk. old puppy w/a slight prolapse on the top. It's is not a complete prolapse; there is approx. a 1/4" bubble-like protrusion from her rectum. Naturally, this stuff happens on Saturday night. I am waiting on a call back from the vet w/instructions. I figured there may be another breeder on here who has had this happen and could lend some advice. I am 99% sure it's from injested straw, as that's what protruding. This one is a voracious eater and must've found one morsel of food in the straw and decided to eat it and the surrounding area rather than chance missing it. LOL So, now we have a problem.|
Any help/experiences are appreciated.
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 22 October 2011 - 23:02
|No experience with that.. but wish you the best..what does the straw have to do with it? that ashould be digestable no?|
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by Jenni78 on 22 October 2011 - 23:23
|One would think straw would be digestible, and it's never caused me any problems in other litters, but this pup had several pieces of straw sticking out of her anus. It's quite possible she ate something else she shouldn't have as well; I just noticed her straining and there was straw sticking out, then I noticed the bubble protrusion.|
by Rantino on 22 October 2011 - 23:30
|Yes I have.|
My pup was 8 weeks old and the new owners had arrived to pick her up only to find a very sore puppy with a partial prolapse.
Straight to the vet who discovered it was a small piece of wood that was lodged sideways across the inside of her anus.
They had to knock her out to remove it, and the recovery was about 4 weeks where she was give a topical cream for her bottom and some anitibiotics.
I hope all turns out well for your little one.
by Nans gsd on 22 October 2011 - 23:56
|Hi Jen: Well have not experienced the straw but have pulled a man's sock out of a 7-8 week old puppies butt; also is she pooping OK: Have had to give a puppy an intima; (sorry for the sp) I just used a warm water or you can use warm water and salt solution to flush her out, ever so gently though. I used a surriange without the needle of course, but use whatever you have on hand, very gently very slowly. Then put some kind of triple antibiotic ointment on the area, outside the area. YOu do not want to back wash the area but get her to express whatever is up there, that is if you can. Is she showing any discomfort or scooting?? If nothing else, vaseline or baby A&D ointment is better than nothing if she is in discomfort. BEst of luck Nan|
I sent you a PM. Nan
by gsdsch3v on 23 October 2011 - 02:07
|Hemorrhoid ointment if it is not a severe prolapse.|
by Kalibeck on 23 October 2011 - 02:12
|Poor baby, hope the vet calls back quickly! I think I would try KY (lots) on a cardboard stick Qtip, (not one with a wooden stick) to very gently sweep the rectum, do not push it in if there's any resistance, & do not let it in any deeper than 1/4 to 1/3 of an inch, then if any straw is loosened you can gently pull it out, again, don't pull if there's any resistance. Don't probe the rectum at all if there's any blood or bloody discharge, straw could easily perforate bowel, unfortunately. And why is it these things only happen on weekends or holidays? If that doesn't work, you're looking at general anesthesia to remove the straw. Poor both of you! Good luck, jackie harris|
by Jenni78 on 23 October 2011 - 03:41
|Thank you all, and all who PM'd. What little knowledge I have of this type stuff told me to try hemorroid cream, a sugar poultice/paste, triple antibiotic ointment, and KY. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, lol) I only had antibiotic ointment and sugar. The vet called back and said any and all of those things can help tremendously, and since it's not a true prolapse at this point, but rather a large "hemorroid" or "bubble" that the ER vets would likely jump the gun and want to do surgery, which in his opinion, is likely to do more harm than good in a pup so young. So, I sent my poor bf to the store to buy hemorroid cream. LOL The vet told me to keep it moist and keep the ointments on it and let him know how it was in the morning and I could bring her to him if it's not any better. |
She's not acting very sick....what a hellion. She bites the hell out of me when I put the stuff on. Other than when you touch it, it doesn't seem to bother her at all. She's bothering all the dogs, the cats, chewing us to pieces...the works. I'm so happy we have so far avoided the Emer. vet. I really hate to bring an otherwise healthy pup to one of those germy cesspools at this age.
I'll post back.
by Dawulf on 23 October 2011 - 10:35
|Sounds like I'm not the only one who's had a fun Saturday.|
Poor puppy... hope she gets it out... er... something... soon. Sounds like she's still a fiesty little booger.... always good. :)
by Jenni78 on 23 October 2011 - 13:38
|Shrunk about 1/3, I would say. Good news. It's still quite red/pink, no sign of headed toward necrotic, she can definitely poop still, and doesn't seem as sore. I will be in contact with the vet a little later today.|
If anyone has had this issue and used Preparation H and antibiotic ointment, how long did it take to resolve? Do I give it until tomorrow? Do I try to massage it back in since it's shrinking? I'm kind of leaning toward not messing with it too much (ie, rushing her to the emergency vet) at this point since it seems to be improving on it's own and she is able to defecate.
As an aside, I now think the straw went in from the outside upon closer examination. It doesn't appear to have been digested at all, nor is it embedded in fecal matter. I think when this bubble appeared, she was obviously uncomfortable and straining, and the straw stuck to it and when it somewhat receded, the straw went up inside with it. Whatever she ate wrong seems to have passed; the stools on the floor this morning were normal. They'd all been smashed to bits, naturally, lol, but they weren't particulary soft, no signs of blood, or anything else odd, and the amount seemed normal.
by Sunsilver on 23 October 2011 - 14:15
|The digestive system of a dog CANNOT digest straw, which is mostly cellulose. Only herbivores can digest cellulose.|
If this had been my pup, I might have tried an enema, but you'd use warm water and a drop or two of regular dish soap for that, not salt, which would sting and burn. I might also have tried to feel up inside the rectum with a gloved baby finger lubricated with lots of KY or vaseline, to see if ther was anything stuck there.
Glad she's getting better! My guess would be she DID swallow the straw and it got stuck in the anus as she was trying to pass it.
Nurses used to use sugar on wounds to reduce the swelling, but that hasn't been done for about 20 years now, as research proved it didn't work. Hemohrroid cream, OTOH, is exactly the thing you need for reducing swelling and inflammation in the anus and rectum.
by Q Man on 23 October 2011 - 14:21
|Hemorroid Cream/Ointment is a substance that will SHRINK the Tissure it's put on...Are you sure you want to SHRINK this tissue?...I would think you don't want to do that but rather lubricate and protect it to help pass the material...then you can put some antibiotic on it...|
That's my opinion...and what makes sense to me...and...What I'd do for a puppy of mine...
by Nans gsd on 23 October 2011 - 15:28
|Jen: since it is getting better I would alternate the hemmroid ointment one time then the antibiotic ointment the next. I would use a glove or tissue to administer and very gently as my boys was always sore. May save you from getting bit. I did not rub it in either I just kind of globbed it on the area and let it soak in. Good luck Nan|
by Jenni78 on 23 October 2011 - 19:01
|Yep, Nan, that's what I've been doing. It doesn't seem to bother her today at all and I am not getting bitten anymore, so long as she is distracted by a toy, towel, something... |
It is smaller than it was earlier this morning.
Bob, I responded earlier and it didn't post. Dunno why. Vet said to shrink it because the whole reason it is outside in the first place is that it's swollen and inflamed. If we can get it back to normal size, we can then work on massaging it back into place, or it may recede on its own. You risk doing more damage trying to push inflamed tissue back into place.
by Nans gsd on 23 October 2011 - 20:44
|Yowwy, poor baby girl. At least something is helping. Great days, Nan|
by Jenni78 on 24 October 2011 - 12:20
|Still improving. I think I may skip the vet. Now it's a little bubble approx. the size of my pinky finger (I have small hands, so no smartass comments that it could still be huge). It's resembles a pencil eraser in size and color and isn't bothering her at this point at all. Still alternating Prep H and triple antibiotic ointment several times per day. Poops are still normal.|