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by remione1 on 19 October 2011 - 22:35 |
| Any chance they already had a GSD with bad hips? They bought yours, had the other put down sent the reciepts to saying it was your dog??? Not hard to switch them if it's a new vet that doesn't know them or the dogs. Maybe they just want a free dog to replace the other. |
remione1 by dogshome9 on 23 October 2011 - 03:43 |
| OK time for an update. I have spoken to our Local specialist reader, who was shocked that these people euthanized this puppy without further thought. I also sent an email to them re my conversation which they answered by asking this readers phone no, which I was more than happy to supply and give references so I was quite confident that they would ring him ( I will check with him on Monday to find out if he has spoken to them). * Today they have said via email that on legal advise they will not to send the xrays for another opinion as they already have 2 opinions. So Please cough up or see me in court. * I need legal advise now or settle up ---- If it goes to court then they would have to have a qualified reader (not just any vet ) to give an opinion RIGHT ?? And really that is all I want, I need to know if I have created a problem with this mating both male and female of course do have excellent hips and elbows, (all other puppies from the litter are fine). |
dogshome9 by Jared Purdy on 23 October 2011 - 11:46 |
| I wouldn't give them a cent, and if I had the means I would hire a lawyer. The vet clinic sounds unscrupulous. I would be livid!!!! Just reading this makes me angry. |
by Abby Normal on 23 October 2011 - 12:17 |
| I doubt they have any intention of taking this to court, they are just trying to scare you into paying. Do not pay them anything. Even the idea of you paying them back the money for a dog which they then wrongly killed is just beyond words. Did you have a contract that they signed saying if there was any problem that the pup should come back to you? If so I would tell them that I was going to counter sue them for breach of contract. Even if they did take you to court I don't think you have anything to worry about, you did everything right, they did everything wrong. It would be plain as day in a court! |
Abby Normal by sachsenwolf on 23 October 2011 - 13:14 |
| You are in Australia I believe, correct?? If so, few of us in the US would know what animal laws are in effect in your area. Here we have "Puppy Lemon Laws" that can vary significantly by state. Some have a deadline that the buyer must act within 2 weeks, or 6 months, or even up to a year. If the dog is found sick, or has a genetic defect, based on the state, the buyer can get a replacement, a refund of the purchase price, and/or all their medical bills covered, etc. In most the dog would need to be returned. Also, some small hobby breeders are exempt from PLLs altogether. I would do a search online for something similar partaining to where you live, if things are not written in a contract or stated clearly on your website. If they took you to court I do not know that they would need a specialists opinion as they have 2 vets and for the average Joe they would think those are experts :( But so much depends on the judge, and any lawyers either side bring with them. Because I am assuming you do not have a contract, then it would probably just be "the breeder told me a full refund and vet bills for anything wrong" and that is usually not enough, BUT you as the "professional" are less likely to be looked at as the victim. Generally the judge will want things in black and white and not care about their "sad story" so you have that going for you. IMPO I would call their bluff (unless you find you are obligated to something by your PLLs) and try to put it behind you unless you get served... then I would get a lawyer or at least consult with one (some will give you free help over the phone). In this, I have to feel for them too as most likely their decision was out of ignorance and trusting the wrong source (the vet). It sounds crazy that she was a great addition to their family and they had her spayed only to be put down on the same day... unless something fishy is going on, it "sounds" like the vet made them feel her hips were terrible and she is and would be suffering. They were too quick to agree, and went about it completely wrong and THEY have to live with it, BUT you can tell them that you support them if they choose to take the vet to court and NOT you. The vet likely has insurance for this sort of thing, and if they are just looking for their money back then that is probably the way to go. It would be nice to stick it to this vet too, from all we've been told about this situation ;) |
sachsenwolf by aaykay on 23 October 2011 - 15:19 |
| I am not a breeder and only a dog owner but just hearing about this situation, and the way the poor pup was PTS, just makes my blood boil. Do not pay a cent to those creatures who never gave the girl a chance. I suspect the real culprit in this, is the Vet (who probably made a mistake somewhere during the spaying and wanted to "remove the evidence") and the buyer simply went ahead with their advice to PTS. |
aaykay by hunger4justice on 23 October 2011 - 17:25 |
| My God, been away and come back to read this and more on poor Al...WTF is wrong with people?!!! This is why I have only males (except for my spayed rescue) because I cannot fathom dealing with the public and going through this heartache. Suggestion from the lawyer in me, if you give any health warranty or your state requires it, get the buyer to sign (in addition to the contract) a limited power of attorney or other form of permission giving you (seller) the power to access and obtain copies of all medical information, including X-rays and lab reports on the dog. For the hell of it, I'd also put something in there for liquid damages if they put the put to sleep or rehome it without giving you (seller) the option to have the puppy returned to you for the original purchase price. make sure the liquid damage clause is about 3 x the purchase price. |
hunger4justice by Stumpywop on 23 October 2011 - 21:35 |
So sorry to read what happened. RIP sweet girl. xx |
Stumpywop
by dogshome9 on 24 October 2011 - 10:45 |
| Great news, but otherwise extremely sad for my puppy!! I have an independant review of the xray photograph and have been told that had this puppy's hip xray had been submitted for a review then they would have past our hip scheme, even at only 8 months old her hips were normal. Now I need to take this info and decide what to do next. Justice for my puppy ??????? |
by LadyFrost on 24 October 2011 - 14:00 |
| this is such a load of cr@p.... are they freaking serious!!!! my dogs x rays (prior to FHO) were posted on page 2...Bailey (black background) and they are far worse than the dog that was PTS....there are other options such as surgeries IF NEEDED which i don't think this dog even needed a surgery.... I cannot believe it...tell those people that if anything happens to them and their kids are up for foster care you will be the first one to volunteer....and to make sure that they have a quality life since they suffered long enough in their present cruel and cold hearted house hold... I would sue them for the wrongful termination of life, breach of contract...call animal rights organization see if they can give you a good attorney a lot of them have better contacts than you would ever dream of...and I am sure news paper are always looking for something juicy...so why not make sure that these people would never own another dog again...i would... |
LadyFrost by Kimmelot on 24 October 2011 - 17:52 |
| I am nearly in tears for you, I am so sorry this happened. In the US, in many states that have a lemon law - it says that the breeder has the right to have the dog seen by there own vet to confirm that there is a problem. What is shocking to me, is that you raised this dog for 8 months, and they had it for 12 days and decided that you had no weight in such a decision. I am so sorry again for your loss. Whisper |
Kimmelot by dogshome9 on 30 October 2011 - 11:12 |
| Ricci's hip score has just arrived right hip score is Left hip score is Norberg 0 Norberg 2 ( tilt may contribute ) Subluxation 1 Subluxation 1 Cranial acetabular 1 Cranial acetabular 1 Total score right 2 Total score left 4 The rest are all zeros. Now all I require is the TRUTH !!! Why was this puppy PTS ????????????????? |
by dogshome9 on 30 October 2011 - 23:46 |
Where to go now? My thoughts are, (a) To contact our A.V.A. with a written report of how this puppy was miss diagnosed and euthanized without any further ado, the puppy owner had already spent, $340.00 for desexing, $118.00 for the xray, they then spent $191.00 for euthanasia and disposal, (I have never seen a client charger so much for euthanasia) they could have save more than $120.00 had they sent the xray for a specialist opinion which would have only set them back $70.00 and they would still have the puppy. No wonder I shake my head. (b) Do a written report of how this all came about and send with the attached specialist report and xray to all of our large breed dog clubs so that they can make all members aware of how easily it can happen to one of their puppies. (c) Put it on as many forums as I can so that all breeders can learn from it and enclose warning to all their puppy buyers, (d) Send a copy to the Canine Council, |
by BevWallace on 31 October 2011 - 08:19 |
| If you have had the x-rays reviewed as normal, proving the pup had no dysplasia, make sure you keep any e-mails you have recieved about this from the buyers and their vets, They are now evidence that the buyer attempted to claim money from you fraudulently. If you can get two vets to review the x-rays and give you a written statement all the better. Evidence that will stand up very well in court should you decide to sue for the emotional distress they have caused you. |
BevWallace by dogshome9 on 31 October 2011 - 09:17 |
| Bev, I have had the xray evaluated by a specialist radiologist, of which we have 3 here in Oz and yes I have every record that I have recieved from the buyer, we have only had 1 phone contact since the one informing me that she had been PTS because of HD. The only record that I do NOT have is the opinion of the vet who originally diagnosed her HD, who claim that they did not tell the buyer that the puppy had HD nor did they advise them that she should be PTS. |
by steph135 on 01 February 2012 - 16:25 |
| just been reeding this and thought, what happen did u go to court and find out the truth x |
steph135 by hunger4justice on 01 February 2012 - 17:38 |
| Complain to the Board you think the dog was misdiagnosed and put to sleep without cause. First state what your consulting vets opinions are and attach them. In the complaint to the vetrinary board state that you were told the dog was put down due to dylpasia on the advice of the vet (attach a copy of the letter saying so) and an affidavidt from you saying you were told by the euthanizing vet clinic the hip X-ray was not even of sufficent quality to diagnose dysplasia and the animal was still put down. At minimum, there will be an investigation and you will get some sort of facts and maybe if you request the file from the Board, the X-Ray and opinion that you are missing. They will either find the dog had dyplasia (not misdiagnosed) -clearly not the case, or it did not or could not be determined and the dog was killed for no reason. I would not give those sons of Bs the time of day, not a single cent. Something rotten in Denmark. ASSHOLES!!!! I had to rescue a doberman pup I bred from morons that turmed it in to animal control saying it was vicious after it nipped their son...Went through hell and had to lean on the city very hard to get that puppy back as technically I was no longer the owner. I am so sorry you have to go through this hell right now. |
by hunger4justice on 01 February 2012 - 17:39 |
| Complain to the Board you think the dog was misdiagnosed and put to sleep without cause. In the complaint to the vetrinary board state that you were told the dog was put down due to dylpasia on the advice of the vet (attach a copy of the letter saying so) and an affidavidt from you saying you were told the hip X-ray was not even of sufficent quality to diagnose dysplasia and the animal was still put down. Include your vets opinions that show there was no dysplasia. They will either find the dog had dyplasia (not misdiagnosed) or it did not or could not be determined and the dog was killed for no reason and either way the vets will think twice before they do this again I would not give those sons of Bs the time of day, not a single cent. Something rotten in Denmark. I would welcome a lawsuit so I could force them all to produce the x-rays etc.! You could countersue because if they are trying to fraudulently obtain money from you by making false claims then they are also criminally and civilly liable. ASSHOLES!!!! I had to rescue a doberman pup I bred from morons that turmed it in to animal control saying it was vicious after it nipped their son...Went through hell and had to lean on the city very hard to get that puppy back as technically I was no longer the owner. WHY IS THIS POST HERE 2x? I am so sorry you have to go through this hell right now. |
by hunger4justice on 01 February 2012 - 17:46 |
| Oh, and if you change your contract, put in a clause that says before the dog is to put down you are given the option to take the dog back. Failure to adhere to this clause will result in the breeder not being responsible for the refund of any amount of the purchase price or vet bills and void any warranty. This is reasonable and probably will at least prevent them from doing this kind of thing and testing the courts. |
by joanro on 01 February 2012 - 19:07 |
| About fifteen years ago there was a vet here who was a "buncher"-- collecting dogs and selling them for research. It came to light by clients taking in absolutely healthy dogs to be spayed or neutered and dropping them off at the vet for the procedure. When they went to back later to pick their dog up, the vet would tell them he had to put them down for this reason or that. I friend of mine took a young GSD male to that vet to be neutered and when she went back later in the day to pick him up she was given the bs line that he had to be put down. She asked for her dog's body so she could bury him at home. They gave her a black bag with a body in it. When she got home she was shocked to find the bag did not contain her dog! She called the vet and was given another bs story. Eventually this "veterinarian" was run out of town on a rail!!! This is why I ABSOLUTELY will NOT drop a dog of mine off at any vet's office no matter what. Did those new owners actually see the dog's body? |
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