German Shepherd Dog > Real Protection Dog? (24 replies)
Real Protection Dog?
by todd6414 on 03 October 2011 - 19:46
After reading the latest thread on protections dogs, trained or untrained I gathered your best bet is to start with a pup that has the best chance of acquiring those traits via genetics.
by tenmon on 03 October 2011 - 19:52
|All depends on what you mean by "working line"!|
by todd6414 on 03 October 2011 - 20:01
|Well I have two show line (black and Red) GSD's. It is my understanding that the working lines are usually Eastern European , sable, black, etc . Not sure if that matters on if a dog would be naturally protective or not but just asking.|
by Red Sable on 03 October 2011 - 20:14
|Just curious Todd, what are your showlines like when it comes to being naturally protective?|
by tenmon on 03 October 2011 - 20:18
|This question wraps around the other question on the thread about calm grips. I personally feel that there is a thought process that equates working line to certain colour, region of origin, etc. Some even believe that a titled schutzhund dog is synonymous with a working dog. The question is back to you again.....What do you mean real protection dog? I thought this thread has beaten this question to death with "answers" going nowhere.|
by Emoore on 03 October 2011 - 21:09
|Serious question-- do people who want/need protection dogs not live in areas with guns? I don't see the point of a trained PPD that can be shot just as easily as a barking mutt.|
by Felloffher on 03 October 2011 - 21:16
What do you think he mean's by a working line and a real protection dog? Todd pretty much spelled it out for us, unless you're trying to make a point.
Todd check out Canczech and if you're interested give him a call. He breeds good dogs for this type of work and is a very honest person to deal with. You will get a better feel for what you're looking for by talking to breeders and looking at dogs. With the exception of a few people, most here don't have a clue when it comes to this type of dog, so don't expect too much good information.
by Ace952 on 03 October 2011 - 21:20
|I would suggest if you want a protection dog, get a older dog that is trained. That way you know what you are getting by seeing the dog work. See for yourself and take someone who knows dogs with you as a second set of eyes. With a puppy it is a crapshoot and with the time and money you spend in training you do cheaper with a older trained dog.|
by tenmon on 03 October 2011 - 21:22
|In the other thread, Ace had a good answer. Get an older dog that is trained for such a situation. I tend to agree here. You can have any kind of dog for personal protection. Does not necessarily have to come from a GSD or working line. From what I see on the field, a lot of these so call working line dogs are just prey drive dogs. Would they be "real protectors" when the time comes. Most on this thread have said no! Some stuck to the point that their dogs would stand up to a threathening situation. Now how would they know if that situation has not presented itself?|
by Ace952 on 03 October 2011 - 21:24
by HighDesertGSD on 04 October 2011 - 20:24
|"PPD should give you time to get away. A PPD is a good visual deterrant. A PPD can hear bumps in the night when your sound asleep."|
My ASL GSD does that very well.
"Not everyone has it in them to pull a trigger."
I am sure I have it in me.
by ggturner on 04 October 2011 - 22:13
|And, there are also circumstances where a person cannot get to their gun in time. This happened to my father-in-law last year when he went outside to take the trash out. A masked man jumped out from behind some bushes at the side of his house and shoved him (my father-in-law) into his kitchen, then began attacking him. Thankfully, my father-in-law was somehow able to fight off the attacker and shove him out of his house (they were fighting at the door which lead into the kitchen). My father-in-law has a gun, but unlike the wild west, he doesn't keep it in a holster at his side at all times. If he had a dog like a gsd, this may not have happened to him.|
by ronin on 05 October 2011 - 09:50
|Really serious protections dogs are a pain to live with, and you need regular maintenance training if you want them remain effective.|
If you feel the threat is high, then you have to put your money in your pockets and pay out for a proper product.
How long do you think it will be for the puppy to develop effective into an effective protector, 2yrs, or 3yrs with some dogs. If you need a protection dog now can you wait, what if the dog doesn't turn out the way you want (weak) what if he's too much. What if the pup develop's an illness.
Where are you going to get your training.
If you're serious about protection then the dog is small part of the package, home alarms, proper locks, in the US you have firearms you can purchase.
What about family members and lifestyle; where's this dog going to be when Barbeque's on or the kids friends are all playing in the garden. It ain't Rin Tin Tin.
You probably need a well balanced family watch dog that's had some "light" bite work training, plenty of socialisation and obedience for control, and you have the support of a local Club where can go for regular training.
by ggturner on 05 October 2011 - 22:36
by destiny4u on 08 October 2011 - 17:40
|the untrained dogs they used in that example video are the most saddest pathetic examples of gsd i have ever seen in my life|
if u want a good protection dog go to eurosport talk to taunya and joseff and tell them what u want they are honest and will be up front about it and will test the dog for u very well before they send it out even if its just a year old they will have a good idea what the dog will be like when its fully mature a dog with very strong civil drive
by destiny4u on 08 October 2011 - 21:55
|is there any way the op can answer red sable question i am just curious u have 2 beautiful looks like well bred dogs it is scary how u still needed a protection dog was just wondering what their reaction is or how well they perofrm in personal protection when tested out? just be honest a lot of people can learn from this thread at least and not make the same mistake you clearly did?|
by SitasMom on 08 October 2011 - 22:07
How much protection do you need?
I have the sweetest bitch in the world, she's happy, and friendly to everyone and everything, her temperament is quite mellow, and is easy to live with. BUT let someone lift a hand against me and she goes crazy!
She's a beautiful showline and she's from Eurosport K9.
by destiny4u on 08 October 2011 - 22:21
|sitasmom can u give a link to her and price? I know that a eurosport dog will be well tested and will be exactly what they promise it will be even if it is young adult of a year old or so they know their dogs and test really well for their customers if u want a older pup young dog that has or will have what it takes to protect for real they are the people to go to they will send you EXACTLY what u want and then some lol Just be careful and make sure your situation can handle an animal like that and keep it happy.|
by todd6414 on 08 October 2011 - 23:55
Today I had a LE dog trainer perform a house invasion scenario with a hidden sleeve. First my 20 month old male was out free when he entered. (he performs well on the field and has great bite work). He barked and got excited but wouldnt bite the intruder. Then my 13 month old female had her turn. Without hesitation she charged as soon as she heard the door open bite the shit out of him. (she does not like working on the field) Go figure.
by SitasMom on 09 October 2011 - 00:07
Sorry, Nurma is MY DOG and not for sale, but they have others. PM'd you.