German Shepherd Dog > I need professional opinion (30 replies)
I need professional opinion
by Shtal on 03 October 2011 - 02:37
|I'm planning to breed my female with this male instead my oversize male. (I'm making some changes in my mind for future plans)|
What do you guys think? Does his body frame looks correct! (I'm sorry I caused trouble - but I decide slowly to make some changes)
by KellyJ on 03 October 2011 - 02:54
Looks should be of last importance. How does he work?
by Shtal on 03 October 2011 - 03:00
|I haven't really spoke to the owner about how he works since it's too early, my plans was for the next year.|
I haven't made my solid decision on him yet, I'm still looking for good stud male near my area.
by Mindhunt on 03 October 2011 - 03:05
|Is he sound/healthy/able to work (not that he will necessarily be a working dog but can he withstand it if he has to)? What is his lineage and will it make a difference in the breeding? What is his temperment? How about OFAs or equivalent, DM testing, etc. Will all he is bringing to the breeding compliment your female? Looks are important but I believe it is down on the list. Ask yourself exactly why this male vs another male, what is it about his male that interests you and makes you believe he will be improving the breed overall? Then do you have the data to back up what you feel is important? That is what helps me decide on one dog over another. Good luck|
by Shtal on 03 October 2011 - 03:42
|Thank you, this time I will try to improve!|
Here is another picture of him!
by Sunsilver on 03 October 2011 - 07:06
|He has a very steep croup, and his back looks too short to me. A GSD is supposed to be longer than it is tall.|
Here is a link to the translation of the breed standard: http://www.fredlanting.org/2008/06/sv-standard-translated-by-fred-lanting/ I would read it in detail and ask myself how closely this dog is to the standard.
by Donnerstorm on 03 October 2011 - 15:43
|I think he is a pretty boy and insted of asking all of the questions about him, maybe the most important one is what does he produce?|
by Nans gsd on 03 October 2011 - 15:52
|Yes, have your seen any of his puppies?? All health clearances need to be in place with written documentation before a dog is used at stud in my opinion that is probably as important or even more so as his temperament and good looks. If he has the best temperament and good looks but carries the DM gene then I would not even consider him for my bitch(s). Same clearances required before you breed any bitch. Best of luck Nan|
by Shtal on 03 October 2011 - 16:24
|Yes, he does produce, the owner said he was bread 4 times and was successful. She said he has a good temperament.|
Just to be correct about DM?
by Sunsilver on 03 October 2011 - 16:34
|Yes, he does produce, the owner said he was bread 4 times and was successful.|
Shtal, tht's NOT what we meant! Any male dog that still has its testicles can produce puppies. The question is; WHAT does he produce? What do his puppies look like? Have they been titled? How is their temperament?
Those are the questions you need to ask.
BTW, it's BRED, not bread. Bread is what you eat.
And yes, DM stands for Degenerative Myelopathy.
by Kaffirdog on 03 October 2011 - 16:44
|He's a lovely looking dog overall, but not really special enough to be likely to be a sought after stud. Why not look at known studs with a successful progeny record in whatever field you are interested in, it will help place your puppies if the sire is well known, the owner should be knowledgeable enough to confirm the compatabilty of the bloodlines and might even have people waiting for puppies from such a dog. It is just as expensive to rear an average litter as a good one, so why not go for the best available.|
by Red Sable on 03 October 2011 - 16:52
|I like the looks of him Shtal, I've seen people on here breed to much worse.|
Where's Ibrahim, for a critique?
by Ibrahim on 03 October 2011 - 17:08
What Shtal posted shows me a frog and it is written there (Unregistered domain if you want to view register at .......
by Red Sable on 03 October 2011 - 17:17
|Hmph, that is weird! It is a showline, and though there are froggy ones, this one isn't IMHO|
by Nans gsd on 03 October 2011 - 17:20
|If I was looking for a puppy to buy for work/show/ or anything else I wanted to do; in my opinion, he would not be anything I would want a puppy out of. Yes he is "pretty", that I will give to him. However, his conformation is not good enough for me to want one of his puppies not even if the bitch could carry ALL of the structure and had all health clearances possible.|
I agree with Margaret why not go for a dog that is completely proven stud dog,ALL health clearances possible that has showing/working puppies on the ground with proven hip/health clearances, a well known and used stud dog; could be working/show lines; a dog that someone would WANT and cherish a puppy from. That is my opinion. Go for the best you can possibly find; breed only the best to the best. Best of luck Nan
by Ibrahim on 03 October 2011 - 17:22
|This is what I see|
Do you see the same !!!
by Red Sable on 03 October 2011 - 17:25
|LOL!! um no!|
Nan, yes, I agree, however, lately with what so called professional breeders have been selling non suspecting buyers on here, your definition of the best, and mine could be polar opposites, not too mention, we haven't seen Shtal's female either, and I'm sure none of us would agree wether or not she is worth breeding.
This breeding business is a big joke for the most part IMO.
by Nans gsd on 03 October 2011 - 17:34
Well Red quite possibly the breeding business is a joke, but why contribute to that. Don't you want this breed to improve? I sure do. Well you don't get that improvement by putting mediocre puppies on the ground just to breed your bitch to a fair dog. JUst does not happen that way; wished it was different but even breeding the best to the best you are going to get some just OK/fair puppies; why would you want to put that out there. If you can't improve the breed why breed at all? Let's face it those dogs are out there by the thousands. I am looking for waaaaay better than that when I go to buy a puppy. Great days everyone, Nan
by Ibrahim on 03 October 2011 - 17:55
|I think the majority of breeders and those who breed occasionally are doing it for various reasons non of which is improving the breed but most of those claim they're doing it to improve the breed, it sounds bizarre to me. Dog breeding as any other animal breeding is mostly a business, few are those who are truly doing it as a hobby or to improve the breed.|
Me and some of my friends are thinking of and planning to breed show and work GSDs here in Jordan, our reasons for breeding do not include improving the breed (hopefully we do not worsen it much), we want to make available pure bred GSDs at affordable price here as 99% of GSD lovers here can not afford importing one and we currently have no GSD kennel.
by Kaffirdog on 03 October 2011 - 18:04
|I'm sure you will do a great job Ibrahim, it is clear you seriously wanted to learn from the start and, more importantly, that you are learning, developing and using the knowledge, not just parrotting stuff you read, I'm sure the GSD will be in good hands in Jordan with you at the helm.|