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Should I,or should I not. by gouda on 25 September 2011 - 23:03 |
| Should I open a can of worms about one of the working dog breeders on this board.? Then again if I do that, Id be in the same leaque as you bible bashers,so I will not reveale their name. Pup bought at 4 months old,at a year old no left hip socket 2000 dollars vet bills in this pup. They did replace pup.A year later bad hips,bad elbows. The stud to these pups still being advertized for stud service. I guess the moto here is you dont need hips and elbows to bite. The working line dogs in our area are plaqued with bad elbows and over bites,but they can bite and are high drive,that is really what counts, eh. Oh by the way this breeder lives in the U.S.A. Come on all you working dog people, show your score books,show us how good your dogs realy are. gouda |
gouda by gouda on 25 September 2011 - 23:17 |
| I should have mentioned,I did not buy this pup,a member of our club did. gouda |
by sidhimelkel on 25 September 2011 - 23:36 |
| I really didn't want to post on here, it really isn't worth my time. But, for the sake of potential puppies, it'd be in everyone's best interest if you at least post the name of the stud so this doesn't occur in the future. As for your facile and callow mindset toward everyone on the board..I leave that for maturity or reality to set in for you, whichever comes first. |
sidhimelkel by Red Sable on 26 September 2011 - 01:55 |
| We expose the SL breeders, it is only fair to do the same to the WL, however, did this breeder stand behind his dog? I imagine every breeder runs into a time where one pup has issues, it is how the breeder handles it that matters. Sorry, just reread it, and you said they did replace the pup, but the replacement had bad hips too? Yikes. |
Red Sable by ironshepherd on 26 September 2011 - 02:33 |
Not to start another crazy arguement on this forum or anything but I really think you should give a name to protect other people from going through that heartache and financial hit. Maybe if the breeder is exposed they will stop breeding pups with a high risk of HD. |
by Jenni78 on 26 September 2011 - 02:58 |
The meaning and point of your last line escapes me. |
Jenni78 by cphudson on 26 September 2011 - 03:00 |
| Did the replace puppy come from the same stud as the first? |
cphudson by Donald Deluxe on 26 September 2011 - 03:17 |
| I smell an attempt to try to get folks' attention away from what his buddy Shtal did. So either put up or shut up. |
by sueincc on 26 September 2011 - 03:25 |
| hahaha the meaning of this whole thing escapes me!!!!! Why would you assume the stud is responsible for throwing the bad hip? What about the dam? How are the hips of any other progeny of either the sire or dam? How about in the pedigree? How about the sisters and brothers of the sire and dam? How are their hips? I figure you must have checked all this out since you are so sure the sire is 100% to blame and needs to be altered and not bred ever again. Nobody ever said working line dogs never have bad hips. WTF does a dogs scorebook have to do with your topic ? (hips...I think is your topic). WTF do bible thumpers have to do with naming a breeder? Everyone knows it's not about the guarantee - it's NEVER about the guarantee. It's about a concientious breeder, whether show or working line. A good breeder will work with you, a bad breeder has nothing better to give you, just more shit. Personally I don't think you have a clue about the working line breeders or any first hand knowledge about the dogs they produce - in your area or otherwise. By the way, "plaque" is tarter build up, pretty sure no there's no evidence connecting plaque to bad elbows or over bites, but if you've heard otherwise...... Yeah you're probably right, DD, this is just a feeble attempt to redirect. Carry on. |
sueincc by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 03:45 |
| Hi Don, Dont rely on your smeller,because you have no decernment about anything. Your only friends here are all bible bashers. Sthals dog certainly is not breeding materia,but neither is 70 percent of the working lines. Now all you Sthal bashers please show us your score books on your dogs.Have any of you qualified for the nationals,or the world?, if not you,s are certainly better bible bashers then dog trainers. Looking forward to your scores. I might be going to a trial the second week of Nov. with my S.L. who is 7/8 german,1/8 american.Good or bad I will post his results. gouda |
by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 03:57 |
| The breeder owned both the stud and the dam. gouda Sueincc,now that the shoe is on the other foot,I have a suspicion that you know the breeder im talkink about. I gave a promise to the puppy buyer that I would not reveal the breeders name on the database. The puppy buyer has a valid reason not to reveal their name. gouda |
by Donald Deluxe on 26 September 2011 - 04:01 |
| Suspicions confirmed. I suggest the rest of us IGNORE REPEAT IGNORE until actual information is forthcoming. |
by Keith Grossman on 26 September 2011 - 10:50 |
| "Id be in the same leaque as you bible bashers..." Are they really bashing the bible or those of you constantly trying to shove it down our throats? |
Keith Grossman by Bob McKown on 26 September 2011 - 12:57 |
gouda: " but neither is 70 percent of the working lines" That is truly the stupidest thing I,ve ever heard. |
by Fenrir on 26 September 2011 - 13:33 |
| WTF does Jesus have to do with any of this?? O.o I just fail to see the connections, kinda funny though...We are talking about some guy or gal that may or may not have a stud dog who loves Jesus but throws bad elbows, but it might be the Dam and maybe she doesn't love Jesus but she throws bad hips, also somebody is going to Nationals and something about some fractions...What is going on, I am so confused :( |
Fenrir by sueincc on 26 September 2011 - 15:15 |
| Gouda you are barking up the wrong tree with me. How would I know what dog you're talking about? I haven't any idea where you live or what dogs are near you. I simply asked you how you come to the conclusion the bad hips were thrown by the stud. I would have asked you the same question had the thread been about a show line dog. The fact that the owner of the stud also owns the dam still doesn't mean the bad hips were thrown by the stud. I agree it needs to be considered. Did you also see where I said it's not about the guarantee? Do you understand what I mean when I say that? A breeder can guarantee he will replace any pup with bad hips but if all that breeder has is more crap stock what's he going to replace the pup with? Quite likely another less than healthy pup, exactly what happened to your friend. So that's what I mean when I say I don't care about the guarantee, everyone is offering a guarantee, but not everyone has good quality healthy dogs. This is not a show line - working line thing, this goes across all lines. I don't know what the percentage is, but I would agree that probably a lot of dogs are being bred that really shouldn't be, both working and show line dogs. Seems like everyone and their brother wants to be a breeder and many of them are kennel blind and think their dog is Skippy the Wonder Dog, both show and working line folk. |
by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 15:15 |
Hi Bob |
by Slamdunc on 26 September 2011 - 15:34 |
| I say if it weighs over 119lbs and someone is dumb enough to want to use it as a stud then do it. No matter how poor the conformation, pedigree, drives or working ability are. Bigger is always better. |
Slamdunc by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 15:35 |
| Sueinccc Did I ever mention anything about a guarantee,this breeder has been less than honest in the past. You stated that I have no clue about the w.l. breeders,and you stated you do not know me and dont know where I live. So your statement about me not knowing anything would be only in your imagination about me. I stated that I had a suspition that you know this breeder stricktly because of a couple of your replies. At no time did I say that you knew this breeder. But I know that most or all the posters on this board know this breeder if I metioned the name. So have a nice day gouda |
by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 15:46 |
| SLAMDUNC Have you ever said anything that made sence? gouda |
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