German Shepherd Dog > 32 month old Oversize Male (104 replies)
by Stumpywop on 24 September 2011 - 21:23
|LMAO @ duderino!! |
"I'm sorry that I post, but this is ONLY for sueincc, your interpertation about me - is incorrect!"
You are NOT sorry that you post otherwise you wouldn't have done so. furthermore, Sueincc is absolutely perfectly correct in her comments about you and the disdain/disgust we feel about what you've done.
My male is oversized. He is the only one of my dogs that sn't from a resuce. He was ethically bred from 2 GSDs who conformed perfectly to the breed standard. He just kept growing. He doesn't have any health problem atm and with any luck he won't hve any related to his size as time goes on. At least if he does, I know it's not the breeder's fault.
I also see you've managed to drag another bible basher into your silly argument Well done. You must be proud of yourself.
by SitePictureK9 on 24 September 2011 - 21:42
This thread has potential to go off topic. Lets please keep further comments on topic, and resolve other issues in PMs.
by Donald Deluxe on 25 September 2011 - 01:24
|I understand your concern, but you don't know these guys the way we do, SitePictureK9. This thread is going EXACTLY in the direction they want: they're holy men and therefore get to breed whatever they want, and any recriminations about breed suitability, size standards etc. are the WORK OF THE DEVIL because, well, they're holy men and less perfect humans like us don't get to criticize them.|
by Stumpywop on 25 September 2011 - 06:51
|Just thinking "aloud" here...............|
So are these holy men supposed to live forever (in their eyes I wonder)?
The last part of my surname is Moses and my birthday is 25th Dec. Maybe in their eyes someone such as myself is suitable to be brainwashed with their BS. Well I must be superior too because at 34 yrs of age I wasn't crucified!!
I have already seen new members of the board (even newer than myself) get dragged into their argument and agree wtih them. It's a shame really.
If they are so superior to the rest of us, I take it I was wrong to have my oversized male neutered. I should have left him entire, bred unhealthy pups from him and then boasted about the fact that I'd potentially forced serious health conditions on young dogs because I wanted to see what it was like; that I hadn't brought anything to the breed and that I know I could fool people into thinking those pups were better than tose conforming to the breed standard.
I could go on and on ut there's no point with such people. I feel sorry for the dogs. What chance do they have? I just hope they are in fantastic homes that will care for them as needed should anything go wrong because of their size. After all, none of these so called holy men have answered questions such as whether they would take a pup back if necessary. Ethical breeders? Nope. Decent human beings? Nope.
by sueincc on 25 September 2011 - 08:49
|Thank you Duderino, Stumpy and Donald, my thoughts EXACTLY.|
by sueincc on 25 September 2011 - 14:33
Shtal you said:
by Shtal on 25 September 2011 - 16:26
|Since you are being so pushy sueincc, I decide to make some translation for you, I'm sorry that I'm posting - even I said about my final post on this thread.|
Seriously???? And what is the sum total of your experience in Bible, oh that's right you have none. Your arrogance is beyond belief. You have no respect for the Bible and you have no respect for christian people. Hate to break it to you, but that's all you are - just a BIG sinner. Nothing wrong with being a sinner, but you will never be able to be saved if you don't come to Christ.
by VomMarischal on 25 September 2011 - 16:31
|LOL LOL LOL LOL|
Edit to add: oversized German shepherd
by Bancroft on 25 September 2011 - 16:39
|What an arrogant and ignorant person.|
Sh*t Al why won't you answer simple questions about the dog's health and hip score?
by Shtal on 25 September 2011 - 17:20
Seriously???? Did I came here to account to you about my dog, read my first statement, why I post my dog here! http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=141930
Seriously - this time I will try to ignore for sure and not respond anymore on this thread!
I'm going to church, buy!
by sueincc on 25 September 2011 - 17:23
We see right through you, Shtal. You can't defend your shit breeding so you resort to trying to hide behind your religion. AHAHAHHAHAA!!!!!!!
by mollyandjack on 25 September 2011 - 18:29
|To the people thinking everyone should be nice and are wanting to give "helpful" advice: Just about everything posted here will be used by Shtal to design new puppy and stud dog ads. He's gonna breed the dog regardless and with whatever's in the backyard at the time.|
by VomMarischal on 25 September 2011 - 18:47
|LOL I've been as sh!tty as possible to this POS but it means nothing. You'd think he'd say to himself, "GEE, Could EVERYBODY ELSE possibly be wrong and I be the only correct one? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?" But NOOOOOOOOOO, he continues to believe that he and his religion are the only correct creatures on the planet. I feel really really bad that he ever got interested in GSDs. He is pretty much the equivalent of Janice Bartmess for superiority/cluelessness.|
by Ruger1 on 25 September 2011 - 21:44
Ok, guys and gals...
I have read through this thread from start to finish and I have come to the conclusion about a couple of things....I would like to give my opinion about....
Shtal posted this thread because he was sharing information about his dog...Yes, an oversized GSD...He should not have bred him according to the standards that are set forth for breeding. I agree that he absolutely should not have done this, but you all are a bunch of bullies IMO....
He never mentioned the Bible or any other religious thing until you all provoked him to it...I do not think it is adult like or kind for that matter to provoke people on to do things that you intend to bash him over....You all now that Shtal is a Christian and you say things like Bible Basher, Bible Thumper, and mock him preaching on Sunday ect...Not nice....You are acting like school children...
I do not agree with Shtals breeding practices. I also do not agree with his quoting scriptures to folks who are not interested...But, he loves his GSD dog and you all insulted him and ENJOYED every minute of it....That is what bothers me the most....:(
I am glad that I got this off my chest....: )
by Stumpywop on 25 September 2011 - 22:05
|That's it. I have the answer. What this fool has bred is a "Schtal Shepherd" not a "German Shepherd". So long as he tells people that.|
That he hasn't bothered with hip or elbow scoring; that he bred his male without help or advice from experienced and knowledgeable breeders; that he bred this male without any regard for health or temperament; that potentially the experimental litter will result in dogs with health issues due to their size; that he is not an ethical breeder; that he has not contributed positively to the breed; that such an animal will only ever be a pet and won't have the physical capability to partake in Sch or WT; that the pups he has produced will be bought for inflated prices; that the dogs he breeds will go to homes that could have a GSD from a rescue; etc
I could go on all night but what's the point. Such fools with over inflated egos who think they're better than anyone and everyone else are dangerous. He has done the GSD breed no favours in his attempt (and ultimate success) in breeding a dog which doesn't belong anywhere.
I don't know if it's the same in the US, but in the UK we consider such breeders to be BYB (back yard breeders). Such people (and I use the term very loosely) don't give a toss about anyone but themselves and certainly don't care about dogs. Schtal cares about his pocket ie how much money will go into it from breeding his dog. No decent or reputable breeder would allow their bitch anywhere near a dog like that, so his male will only be used at stud to another BYB who owns a bitch or if he has one of his own.
Such a tragic shame.
by Bancroft on 25 September 2011 - 22:07
|Whoops, I just realised the dog has been hip scored. My sincere apologies.|
I still feel that Shtal should probably be concerned about the health of the progeny and follow that up. Oversized GSDs almost always end up sadly.
As to claims that the pups are suitable for schutzhund, well snowball's chance in hell, but I hope to be proven wrong of course.
Nothing against your religion. But I hate to see people deliberately causing pain and suffering to dogs due to poor breeding and ignorance. Surely as a religious person would feel the same.
by vonissk on 25 September 2011 - 23:19
|But wait ya'll are forgetting the most important part--he is an AKC Certified Stud. (whatever that is)|
by sueincc on 25 September 2011 - 23:33
|Oh baloney Deanna - Shtal needs to put on his big boy pants. This has NOT ONE thing to do with whether or not Shtal loves his dog. This is about breeding dogs and nothing else. Nobody pushed Shtal into saying or doing anything. He is the only one responsible for his nonsense. He can't stand the fact that people are critical of what he's doing, he can't defend what he's doing, so he tries hto redirect by telling people they aren't Christian - as if that has one damn thing to do with the topic of the thread. That's all on Shtal. |
Shtal stated in one of his first posts on this thread that "he had every right to breed his dog". Well guess what - we have every right to tell him exactly what we think of him breeding his dog. He's been down this road before, so he knew exactly what was coming down the pike, don't let him fool you, he started this shit storm.
by Donald Deluxe on 26 September 2011 - 00:00
|He doesn't love his dog any more than I love mine, Deanna. But one thing you won't ever find me doing is breeding any dog that doesn't meet the breed standard. That's because I love the BREED a helluva lot more than he does.|
And if this is really an experiment as he claims, then I'm sure he'll give any pups he doesn't keep away for free.
As for the Bible remarks, here's the difference between you and him: you don't do stupid or immoral stuff and then claim you're immune from scrutiny or get a free pass because you're a born-again Christian.
by VomMarischal on 26 September 2011 - 00:04
|Deanna just wasn't here yet, back when Shtal had his last big blowout. Same stuff, different day, Deanna. He does not change, he does not learn, he just baits people...oh but now he spews religion. I think while he was gone, he got saved. Or so he thinks. I bet you god doesn't care for people who are that superior and egotistical.|