German Shepherd Dog > THIS is just beyond comprehension.. (21 replies)
THIS is just beyond comprehension..
by hexe on 14 September 2011 - 05:25
This is the line in the ads for the pups that is a knife in the heart for me:
"If pups do not get placed they will be subject to being dispatched :( PLEASE "
OK, I figure, they've hit hard economic times and can't afford to feed these dogs any longer, so they really need to move them...but threatening to 'dispatch' pups? Can that be read any other way than a threat that these pups will be put down if they aren't placed? Who puts perfectly healthy pups down because they need to get rid of them but can't get anyone to pay for them or trade them something for them?? You'd rather kill them than give them away without registration papers???
Here's their 'trade' page listing what they'll swap a puppy for:
And worse yet, when I go to the web page it says that they've got
They're located in my state, too. [sobs] And here I was, feeling pretty good because I've got a senior foster dog coming to stay on Sunday who was scheduled to be put down last Tuesday, but got pulled out of the shelter in the nick of time...and now I'll be thinking about baby dogs being 'dispatched' because they didn't sell fast enough for a 'breeder'.
It's this kind of barbarism that pushes me to lean toward the notion that anybody who has sexually intact bitches ought to have to pay a *huge* annual 'breeder's fee' that would go to the local humane society shelter to help cover the costs of dealing with cast-offs. But then I remember that there are responsible breeders who would never sink this low, and who only breed if they are prepared to keep each and every puppy or dog they produce for it's entire life if the right homes aren't found for them, and the 'breeder's fee' really wouldn't be fair to those people.
[Edited to correct #of additional litters planned and to add link to website page]
by beetree on 14 September 2011 - 14:10
|Oh good grief. If I labor, you just belabored.|
by brynjulf on 14 September 2011 - 14:38
|I made her an offer to take the babies (at my cost shipping to Canada is pricey) , train, sell, send her the money after the puppies are placed at no cost to her. Not interested SOOO that says alot to me.|
by thunderingnights on 14 September 2011 - 14:48
|Welp...whos coming to Michigan with me? You bring the dog crates for the puppies and I'll bring the penata stick for the dumb*ss, dog breeding yankees. |
Personally I am in 100% agreement with you. I've thought that for a long time. If you have intact females you should be required by law to have a liscence. And if you buy a female puppy you only have so many months to get her spayed before you start paying fees.
Edit: Not surprising, Brynjulf. Someone thinks they're being a tactitian.
by Jenni78 on 14 September 2011 - 15:08
|Thunderingnights...that would only help PITAs cause. The people who would do something like that would never pay anyway.|
by thunderingnights on 14 September 2011 - 15:37
|Nah, it's doable. It's perfecting the regulatory enforcement and coping with (and responding quickly to correct) negative repercussions of certain components of the groundwork (for example, you make it illegal to sell puppies without a breeder's liscence, the douches would start killing accidental puppies or turning to some other, hopefully milder, form of undesirable action) that would be the issue. Along with finding people deticated enough to remain tenacious through the headache and legality issues to get the machine up and running.|
It'll never actually happen because nobody cares all that much. Not because it couldn't be practical.
by pt1 on 14 September 2011 - 15:43
| i never sin anyfink like it !!!|
15% discount on any pup for payment prior to birth !!! 10% for 2 or mor pups !!!
by beetree on 14 September 2011 - 15:47
|It is a method of payment if you think about it, and probably a way for them to not show any cash income. Maybe that's why they can't give away pups, but have to "dispatch" the inventory. So they can claim "a loss". That is a disgusting thought.|
by Jenni78 on 14 September 2011 - 15:55
|Beetree, you're right. I know of a big time horse breeder who routinely kills even weanlings simply to show a loss for tax purposes.|
by Firedist8 on 14 September 2011 - 15:58
|I think that these so called breeders need to be tortured. I would never "dispatch" a pup unless there was no way of saving him or her. I hope this is just a way of selling them by making people feel bad!|
by gagsd4 on 14 September 2011 - 16:08
|This breeder, House of Christina, correct?|
by Judy P on 14 September 2011 - 16:32
|""Welp...whos coming to Michigan with me? You bring the dog crates for the puppies and I'll bring the penata stick for the dumb*ss, dog breeding yankees.|
Personally I am in 100% agreement with you. I've thought that for a long time. If you have intact females you should be required by law to have a liscence. And if you buy a female puppy you only have so many months to get her spayed before you start paying fees.""
She is only a short distance from me and everyone can stay here. I have begged and pleaded for her to let me have the dogs, I can be sure they are all placed in proper homes. I have been to her house and met these dogs. I am beyond sick about this.
Not all Yankees are like this!! LOL
by thunderingnights on 14 September 2011 - 16:56
|Pfff, naw. Yankees are to blame for everything. They're the reason we have babies born with autism and no world peace. |
I would say we sneak in under cover of night and become dog nappers. That way, Cruella DeVille could have her "loss", and we could have the dogs. But that doesn't seem hardly cruel enough. So I'm going with Firedist8's idea: "I think that these so called breeders need to be tortured."
Are you running for president by any chance?
by GSDNewbie on 14 September 2011 - 17:00
I am all for making laws to pay for liscense and litter fees for breeding dogs. Thy are selling them like a business make them pay proper fees like any other business.
As for this scummy breeder.....get her out of business
by mfh27 on 14 September 2011 - 17:42
|As far as we know, she has not put down the puppies. It may just be an empty threat and a really awful selling tactic thats is actually back firing on her.|
But lets fight her poor breeding morals with having this woman beaten, sterilized, and or killed. I condemn what she is threatening to do, but some of your threats and ideas make you look worse than her.
by thunderingnights on 14 September 2011 - 18:31
|Oh, I am worse than her. There's a reason nobody ever comes to my house when we have roast...|
by vomeisenhaus on 14 September 2011 - 19:26
|Nothing more than an empty threat. Especially after seeing the asking price. Ill bet $1,200 that neither parent is titled and koered. But hey... they are grim grandsons & daughters. That must make them worth the asking price or a nice cub cadet lawnmore or a miller mig welder. Lmao. I'm in michigan and I wouldn't walk across the street to see these pups.|
by richram on 14 September 2011 - 21:04
| I saw this ad and sent her an email inquiring about the parents and what she wasn doing with the pups as far as imprinting. From what I can gather from the ad and what she said in her email leads me to believe that she had the money to buy two titled dogs to breed together to make money. She more than likely knows nothing about breeding. Probably doesn't know how to train a dog. Does not exercise or work her dogs. The dogs are only a means to an end. Those who live around her should post something in pet shops and maybe by her house. The neighbors might even let you put signs up, If they knew what the story is on this woman.|
As far as taxes and fees, and more government intrusion into our lives........ I'm against that!!! There are people who live honestly and do what's right regardless if there is a law or not. Then you have people like Christina. These people do want they want....not what is right. Laws, honor and morals are not part of their makeup. In some cases it's genetics, others it's not :-)) Richard
by Judy P on 14 September 2011 - 22:21
|"This breeder, House of Christina, correct? "|
Yes it is her. She does not train or trial dogs despite the fact training is available less than 30 mins from her house. Who ever said she bought titled dogs is correct, she bought her bitch already titled and my understanding from her is that the stud dog owner also bought her dog titled - but a lot of folks do that. It looks like the stud dog owner does train her dogs.
by hexe on 14 September 2011 - 23:30
|These appear to be reasonably well-bred pups, despite the fact that the 'breeder' seems to have thought this was going to be a 'cash cow' sort of enterprise and most likely knows *nothing* about the dogs in the pedigree, save for the fact that Grim z PS is a "name" Czech GSD. If they aren't selling as fast as these people thought, and they need to be able to show a monetary loss of some sort or them for tax purposes, then why not contact Leader Dogs and Paws for a Cause and some of the other service dog organizations that accept donated pups for their program? Chances are that the pups would be suitable for those endeavors, and donations to these groups are tax-deductible...isn't that better than putting puppies down for convenience's sake?|