German Shepherd Dog > Origin of Arched Back (179 replies)
by bazza on 18 September 2011 - 22:26
|And the American showlines with extreme angulation have very straight very sloping backlines, no roach there!!|
Sunsilver Once again haven't got a clue what you are talking about, and really couldn't give a fig!!
Really no hope for some!!
by Ibrahim on 18 September 2011 - 22:27
|Pyke is a real beauty, if the above picture is with no editing, then his topline is very close the the VA pics I posted earlier, and if his topline is edited then at least some work breeders believe show topline/and thus anatomy is the correct one.|
by bazza on 18 September 2011 - 22:33
|Pyke EXTREME? WTF, You have just proved your ignorance if that is your idea of exteme. Katrina stick to agility and you tube, wow! ( Shakes head in disbelief)|
by Abby Normal on 18 September 2011 - 22:37
|Baz - Copied what?? Paste it please so we can all see my 'edits'. |
You call me obsessive LOL LOL LOL, I am not the one frantically copying posts as soon as they appear. I am clearly whoever you want me to be in your strangely mixed up head! I am getting quite used to it now. You sure seem to have some obssessions going on with this Katrina gal, she must have really got to you. I have been warned by some other members about how far you sometimes go with your obsessions. So I will indulge you no further, it's just not healthy.
So, to keep what was a very interesting and pleasant discussion on track I for one am going to stick to the topic, and not let it be derailed by Bazza any further.
by noddi on 18 September 2011 - 22:47
|i must admit i do not find Pyke in the least extreme,maybe a tad more substance for me but thats me.i also like the backlines on most of his ancestors especially Chicco.Carole S.|
by Ibrahim on 18 September 2011 - 22:51
|I think EXTREME was describing the stack not the dog if I understood what Abby wrote correctly, sorry bazza and noddi but reconsider this point please.|
by bazza on 18 September 2011 - 22:58
|The stack is far from extreme, believe me!!|
by bazza on 18 September 2011 - 23:02
|Katrina, Katrina, you are obsessed with fibbing about your name, lol. I only have the one user name BAZZA.|
by Ibrahim on 18 September 2011 - 23:03
|I agree the stack is ok and I add to that the topline is very very good and beautiful that is assuming no edit was done to the photo, beautiful evening to you Sir.|
I bet Pike's back looks more level in movement and does not hinder his work ability.
by bazza on 18 September 2011 - 23:10
|Ibrahim a beautiful evening to you too sir, I'm out!!|
by BlackthornGSD on 18 September 2011 - 23:17
|I bet his back looks more level in the un-retouched version of that picture, too.|
by Smiley on 18 September 2011 - 23:20
|Sorry to everyone. I didn't mean to cause such a firestorm. Thank you all for the discussion and information. My apologies again.....|
by Abby Normal on 18 September 2011 - 23:33
You didn't cause the firestorm, it was the work of just one troll. Your question was a good one, and asked genuinely, without any agenda.
Ibrahim, of course you are correct, I was referring to the stack. Carole this was in reference to your statement about the stack, and how it affects the topline (ie it is not a natural stack), nor foursquare.
Yes, he is a beautiful dog and he passes his superb structure on.
by noddi on 19 September 2011 - 09:10
|Morning all.Sorry Abby,i misunderstood your statement re PYKE.I just wish i was more computer savvy to be able to upload photos(with owners permission of course)onto this board of animals i consider to have a CORRECT backline in the flesh n show a photo of a good stack n one of a poor one which illustrates how the B/L can be distorted.Here in the UK ,the gsd breed council has had a monthly magazine for exhibitors since i think 1989(no doubt someone will correct me if i,m wrong)n i believe this debate about the B/L was discussed n in a later edition a successful breeder supplied tracings of several animals(or so we readers thought)n asked them to be placed in order as at a show.Then she announced several months later that the tracings were ALL OF THE SAME ANIMAL but taken from different photos at different shows where it had won 1st placing.To say we were gobsmacked is an understatement.To the OP,no need to apologise to no one.yu asked a question n obviously got several opinions.I say to yu,go to shows,working trials,obedience shows n see wot is pleasing to your eyes,no one elses.I,m more drawn to the shape of the S/L gsds BUT I ABSOLUTELY ABHOOR gsds with extremely slopey backlines be they be german S/L or AKC showline with a ski slope back nor do i like the overlong dippy,saggy backlines of wot we here in the UK class as ALSATIANS.good day to all.Carole S.|
by Abby Normal on 19 September 2011 - 11:01
|That's interesting Carole. I think it makes a good argument for showing in a natural stance, which I believe was how it was meant to be originally. I remember an article (or it may have been in a book) where Max von Stephanitz actually had a chalk drawn template on a blackboard of the correct structure, and used an actual dog standing in front of it to illustrate correctness. I believe that both the illustration and real dog were in natural stance. |
by myret on 19 September 2011 - 18:01
so should a shepherd look like nice straight back with legs that do not look like frogs, like many other dogs do
by Wildmoor on 19 September 2011 - 18:25
where the femur and tibia meet should be at an angle of 120 degrees I dont see that here
by myret on 19 September 2011 - 18:48
Is that statement for me??
I dont like those frog wannabe gsd it looks awful with that low angulated back and the hindlegs that look like a frog or a hyena
I dont know about the angles what is good and bad but I do know this dog in the picture is in a healthy body that can handle to be used and worked and do the high jumps not play around in a schh field or showring
by Wildmoor on 19 September 2011 - 18:53
yes it was - no need to shout the rear angles look more like a Dutch shepherd than a GSD
by myret on 19 September 2011 - 19:20