German Shepherd Dog > Breeder Rights? Breeder Greed? (242 replies)
by beetree on 18 September 2011 - 15:33
Does that mean you'll be first in-line for a contract re-do? A new lease on your dogs life?
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 15:35
If so, hell no. No need to. I know where I stand, where Dugan stands, as well as Molly. Also, my Family knows what's best for Dugan in the event of my early demise and that would be Molly.
~Brandi and Dugan v. Eichenluft~
by beetree on 19 September 2011 - 18:12
|Brandi, yes you! lol.|
So, your dog, in the event of your unexpected demise, would be a gift back to the breeder? Or would your family expect recompense? Just wondering how the details make a difference, between the old and updated versions. Seems to me, anyone signing a new one, automatically has less say in their dog, no matter what. So, I'm with you, I wouldn't want to sign the new one, either.
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 19:12
|"So, your dog, in the event of your unexpected demise, would be a gift back to the breeder?"|
I wouldn't call it a gift, rather classify it as what would be right for my dog. Molly wouldn't demand Dugan back, she would make sure he was in the right hands. If not, she has all right to follow through with her contract. If he is in the right hands, I'm sure Molly would allow him to stay where ever that would be. As her goal is the safety and well being of her own dogs and the ones she has produced.
"So, I'm with you, I wouldn't want to sign the new one, either."
I, no where stated I wouldn't sign the new one. I particularly don't care. But when I am ready for my next Eichenluft, I will sign it, as owning a dog from someone I trust and lineage whom I've desired to own progeny, as long as the contract is within reason, I will sign it.
I think, as many topics on this board, get way out of hand. And slander, bashing, and "going after" another is usually what happens here. But with a discussion board comes that immature behavior. To each their own.
All I know is, I own a wonderful dog. I love him and no matter whatever happens to me, he will always be taken care of. Whether it be Molly or my Family.
by Betty on 19 September 2011 - 19:18
|Since you are the one that I would presume knows your dog, your family and your breeder best wouldn't you rather be the one to make that decision?|
Personally I would prefer my dogs in a home of my choosing rather then in a breeder's kennel waiting to be rehomed or whatever.
by Red Sable on 19 September 2011 - 19:23
|Brandi, it won't be your family, it will be Molly, until she sells it, that is. If you are fine with that, who are we to argue.|
I'm with you Betty.
by GSDNewbie on 19 September 2011 - 19:49
|I agree with the last two. I would not want my grieveing house dogs to be thrown into a kennel, bewildered, and away from anyone they know and to be put up for sale.|
At least these dogs know these people in this specific issue. My dogs will go to my husband and eldest son except for one of them. The last one will go to another person. All prearranged. No resales to other homes. Just wondering where does the money from selling them a second time belong? Do they get sold for just the care invested until rehomed? Do they get sold for full value of a profit bringing dog flesh like the dog was raised and advanced from the breeder instead of being left to the breeder? If a breeder did get these dogs and sold them I would think at least the right thing would have been done would be to give the proceeds to cancer research in memory of their owner.
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 19:50
|"Since you are the one that I would presume knows your dog, your family and your breeder best wouldn't you rather be the one to make that decision?"|
Don't you understand, that by signing a contract I HAVE made that decision!....as everyone else that has ever signed a contract!.....as did the owner who is in discussion.
"Personally I would prefer my dogs in a home of my choosing rather then in a breeder's kennel waiting to be rehomed or whatever".
Then buying from a Breeder with a contract such as Molly's would not be good for you. So, go somewhere else .
"Brandi, it won't be your family, it will be Molly, until she sells it, that is. If you are fine with that, who are we to argue."
It will be my Family as long as Molly feels Dugan is in the right home. No where does her contract state that SHE WILL take back the dog. It just states that she is to have first option. And if Dugan's best option is to go back to Molly's to either live out his life with her or be placed, I trust Molly fully that either option it will be for HIS benefit....not Molly's. Is it not suppose to be about the dog.
I signed Molly's contract when I brought Dugan home. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't have him. Everyone else should do the same.
The point some of you are missing is that the person whom we are talking about, RIP, signed the contract. As Molly said, the friends who took the dog(s) are going AGAINST their own friends wishes. Plain and simple!
by GSDNewbie on 19 September 2011 - 19:56
|the friends who took the dog(s) are going AGAINST their own friends wishes. Plain and simple!|
How can this statement be true if now Molly claims now to not know anything about these people?
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 19:56
|"I would not want my grieveing house dogs to be thrown into a kennel, bewildered, and away from anyone they know and to be put up for sale."|
I agree with you GSDNewbie, 100%. But, what is being discussed here is Molly specifically, and in no way would she ever treat her dogs or the ones she has produced that way.
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 19:58
|Because the person (RIP) signed the freak'n contract! That is why Molly wants the option to take the dogs back because she doesn't know the friends who took the dogs.|
by GSDNewbie on 19 September 2011 - 20:02
|Are you naive enough to think the dogs would not be put into a kennel?|
by Brandi on 19 September 2011 - 20:05
|It's obvious you've never been to Molly's.|
by GSDNewbie on 19 September 2011 - 21:11
No, I did not take up the invitations when I lived 7 years less than 20 mins from her place. I look at the way eagle looked after he could do not more for the kennel and base it on his missing ear piece and unbrushed and poor hair conditioned coat. He was not house kept why would these dogs be?
My only point is I would not send them for round two profit sitting in a kennel.
by Betty on 19 September 2011 - 23:28
|Brandi, the point you are missing, is that the contract was not binding to the estate. Very important detail.|
And secondly I have been on both ends of contracts with the clause of first refusal. I have no problem with that, it does not mean the person with the right has the right to get the dog or property for free, merely the chance to meet or beat an offer on the table or offer full market value depending on how it is worded.
If something happened to me there would be way to many dogs for my husband. One of the dogs would be returned to the breeder, that is something my husband, myself and the breeder have discussed. She would finish her life where she started it. He would also assist my husband in placing any of the younger dogs that my husband felt was too much for him.
And out of curiousity did my post offend you? Your response seemed kind of snippy, I swear I could see your eye's rolling.... <grin>
by BlackthornGSD on 20 September 2011 - 00:00
|> I look at the way eagle looked after he could do not more for the kennel and base it on his missing ear piece and unbrushed and poor hair conditioned coat. He was not house kept why would these dogs be? <|
Only going to respond to the misinformation and supposition here. Eagle had an ear hematoma (like cauliflower ear in humans) well before he was an aged dog. Despite attempts to have the ear cartilege heal cleanly, the healing process caused the cartilege in the ear to wrinkle and fold. I know this because I helped with some of the aftercare during this process. He spent his last years in the house as a much-beloved companion and house dog--pretty much never crated or kenneled (and not much kenneled and crated as a young dog, either--he was always a housedog).
And as far as looking unbrushed... you ever had an old GSD with lots of coat? My 13 year old prepared for an arctic summer and is now blowing coat *again* (about the 4th time this year... and yes, I did bloodwork and all comes back normal!) -- she's the fuzziest old girl right now. It's not due to lack of care or love or attention or grooming (OK, I could probably brush her every day, although she might object)--it's how old dog coats get sometimes--they don't always shed normally and they seem to pick their own random schedules for deciding to grow winter coats. Oh, and she has a folded ear, too, from a hematoma when she was 8 or so.
by Brandi on 20 September 2011 - 01:32
Not being snippy, just in mere discussion.
I'm not missing the point. I understand that once the person who signed the contract passed away, the contract is void. I only chimed in with all my posts because I was being asked questions.
The contract being void due to persons death had only been brought up a few times, then turned right back to the contract itself then to the care of Molly's dogs, etc., then on to her kennels, then on to poor Eagle (RIP).
Where the heck had I ever mentioned Eagle....not sure where Eagle came up in all of it other than GSDNewbie not having anything better to discuss. Like, dang, is that all you got?
Oh, and I was there too when Eagle had his ear hematoma. So I will third that. (Some need to get there facts straight)...rumors rumors rumors. At least our world is still going around and around and around....
by GSDNewbie on 20 September 2011 - 01:35
|I have an old gsd with tons of coat, he is kept immaculate and inside my home. I was referring to a separate ear incident. The point is she appoints herself as the judge and jury of how all dogs should be cared for and I personally do not think hers get enough care. I could be wrong and am going by small amounts of information and photos submitted not by herself. Could she be judging these people wrong? Who says she is the ultimate person to be able to pick homes for dogs she sold away. These dogs have not seen her and do not know her. She bad mouths the friends yet says she knows nothing about them. You can't have it both ways.|
I have four indoor dogs. they are brushed every single day. They have glossy coats. They have zero old dead dull hair and clumps. Their bowls are scubbed and bleached daily. Their blankets are changed daily. I have not gone back to find the photos to show what I am talking about but when I saw them I was appaled at his appearance. I can present my dogs for inspection at any moment so perhaps I am just that particular in their care but then I love them very much and I do not keep more than I can provide that exact care for each and every day. If she cant keep dogs well enough, she doesnt need more sitting around she does not have that time for. I know others saw what I am talking about because it has been discussed.
Quick snapshot of my 9 year old who spends these days as a house pet. Groomed, nails perfect, ears cleaned and in excellent health and looks. This is how a dog is supposed to be kept if someone wants to pick at others claiming they need to take dogs away from them.
by Wanda on 20 September 2011 - 01:39
by Brandi on 20 September 2011 - 01:45
Very handsome boy....but your point is?
Every dog is different. Every dog's coat is different. Example, I have two Corgis from the same parents but different litters who have completely different coat types. Like night and day. One's coat is silky shiny and "tight", while the others is thick and dence, as if I never groom him (but as a former professional dog groomer, that is not true).
So, besides you posting a photo of your handsome fella, your coat photo to prove your point makes no sence, but good try.