German Shepherd Dog > Dad's for Sale (30 replies)
Dad's for Sale
by Ruger1 on 29 August 2011 - 17:08
Titan vom Mittelwest is my males sire. His dam is Layla vom Mittelwest. From time to time I will check the breeders website to check in on how things are going. Also, when I purchased my male his dam was untitled, so I like to inquire about that too......
Anyway, today I was super surprised to see this....
Because I am just plain nosey and own a progeny of Titans ...lol I want to ask some opinions/questions of other folks especially breeders....
What would be some reasons that a breeder would be willing to part with a dog like Titan, who is in the prime of his life/breeding?.. Is this typical for breeders to sell their "top" breeding dogs. What would be your best guess at what a dog like Titan would be sold for? ( I think it might be nice to keep the family togteher so I need a dollar amount to present to my husband)...lol...lol
And no, I am not going to call the breeder and ask, just in case some "wise guy/gal" wanted to suggest it...lol...;)
by Ace952 on 29 August 2011 - 17:14
Taken from the website....
by desert dog on 29 August 2011 - 18:33
Deanna, just my opinion. From what I've seen of your dog I would rather have him at this stage you already know what his possibilities are, but you haven't come close to the potential of yours.
by LadyFrost on 29 August 2011 - 18:48
|why doesn't anyone ever post prices of their dogs?....|
by gagsd4 on 29 August 2011 - 18:52
|Because they don't want to get sued for causing heart attacks .|
by Sunsilver on 29 August 2011 - 19:01
The most common reason for getting rid of a breeding animal is that all the females on the place (whether it be a farm or kennel) are related to him, and the gene pool needs new blood
by Ruger1 on 29 August 2011 - 19:20
Thanks for the comments so far....: )
desert dog, yours was a thoughtful post..thanks
( most typically) Would a dog like Titan be sold "as a pet"...without breeding rights...I am not interested in breeding any dog, I am just curious and the ad did not specify it....
by Niesia on 29 August 2011 - 19:32
Sunsilver - I agree - probably money. But if the dog was such a good sire - they would earn more money from stud fees in a next few years than from selling the dog... Great AKC sire I know can bring close to $100K or more a year in stud fees...
by michael49 on 29 August 2011 - 19:41
|I would think showring people would pay the stud fee if they wanted the bloodline, why buy the cow when you just want the milk. On the other hand he's a nice status symbol if you can afford it, or might be sold to another country. Beautiful dog regardless.|
by Alamance on 29 August 2011 - 19:56
|In the show ring, was there a problem with him and the handler being badly bitten or was he the one who was dyed? Just think I read about it here on the DB. Wondering minds would like to know as he is for sale.|
by Ruger1 on 29 August 2011 - 20:23
| Yes, The breeder has been accused of dying some of her dogs...|
I saw Titan when I went to pick up my male and he was a beautiful deep red as the picture shows.
Also, some people have claimed that they saw Titan become aggressive with his handler during the Seiger Show 2010 .The handler's side of the story did not support those claims.
The thread is on the database...
There is controversy surrounding this breeder, but judging from the other threads on the database there are a lot of breeders dealing with the same...
It comes with the territory ...some are wrongly accused and others bring it on themselves. It is hard to tell which is which...I feel badly for the wrongly accused....
I would think that anyone interested in buying Titan would do their homework and come to their own conclusions...
by hunger4justice on 29 August 2011 - 20:36
As far as the ring work goes, I have never seen a dog in poorer condition go VA1,,,ever. Chest was heaving, gasping for air. Ears were sinking, elbows tucked way in as physical stamina was taxed. Hocks were actually touching when the dog was at rest in the ring. Hind end was dragging as he moved around the last couple of circuits, so much so that the hocks looked like they were actually rubbing and the feet dragging. I'd almost bet that his feet have grass stains on his toes. Almost all of the other 8 VA dogs were still interested in chasing a ball afterwords and he wouldn't even look at one, completely exhausted. Maybe they should run them through a BH routine like they used to do after an AD to check the drive and stamina. Definitely an insult to anyone who understands drive and structure. I guess dyeing dogs and breaking tails means nothing in USCA as long as you bring plenty entries to the show ring. Ahhh, all the better to promote the JA huh Johannes? And now USCA has control of the AWDF and it's IPO program,,,,,,,,can you say monopoly? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
YOU COULD PM PHIL AND ASK WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SEEN< BUT THIS IS THE POST
by hunger4justice on 29 August 2011 - 20:37
by Niesia on 29 August 2011 - 21:57
|Well - posts above kind of answer the question... I just hope that the dog ends up in the right home.|
by Sheesh on 29 August 2011 - 22:23
|Some reasons to sell a dog like this-|
She has bred him and has what she wants from him
He has been Sieger, not much else left to accomplish
She already has these lines in her kennel and breeding program, she needs new blood now and money to bring it in
i would guess that he either has an enormous price tag for full ownership, or not quite so enormous price tag for co ownership and the opportunity to breed to him if and when she wants....
Oh and PS- my guess for a price for him is--- roughly $25k
by Ruger1 on 29 August 2011 - 22:24
Yes, I hope Titan does end up in good hands with a handler that will give him the life every dog deserves.... Someone who knew Titan well ( who had absolutely nothing to gain by telling me this and who was not fond of the breeder ) said that Titan was a nice male and was never aggressive in all the time they knew him. I have no reason to doubt this persons honestly, but it was their opinion.....
by hunger4justice on 29 August 2011 - 22:58
|Sometimes dogs that bite their handler are not bad dogs...sometimes they are smart dogs who balk at being mistreated. For example, Vickie Lanig and Valko. As for aggressing on other dogs, again, does not neccesarily mean anything other than a handler problem. I kind of like a dog that would take a bite out of someone treating it unfairly. I like that a lot, as a matter of fact..but that is just me. I too hope he finds a home where he will be appreciated.|
by Donnerstorm on 29 August 2011 - 23:44
|I do realize nothing should shock me anymore but people dye thier dogs?????? Do they use like clairol or do they make hair dye for dogs? |
I agree with hunger, just bc a dog is handler aggressive is NOT always a bad thing or the dogs fault. It always amazed me that people would think they could do whatever they wanted to a dog and just expect it to take it sitting down. They are living, breathing, feeling, thinking beings eventually he's gonna have enough and decide if you are gonna bark at him you had better have a bite bc he does. I would never dream of mistreating any of my animals even the cat and expect them to just take it. My children were taught that as soon as they got old enough to "harass" the pets, it wasn't tolerated by mom, no pulling hair, tails ears etc and that's minor compared to what some of these guys do to their dog.
by ShadyLady on 30 August 2011 - 01:26
|Oh certainly Donner, people do dye their dogs. They use the regular human hair dye. I know of one breeder who used to use (probably still does?) the Just for Men brand on the dark part of her dogs.|
There is also colored chalk and various colored powders, creams, gels, you name it. Even Sharpie markers for small spots.
by VomMarischal on 30 August 2011 - 01:30
|Better than in the old days, when they fed the dogs arsenic to redden up their coats. Of course, they only lived to be about four years old, but hey, as long as they won before they died!|