German Shepherd Dog > not right kennel?? (316 replies)
by VomMarischal on 30 August 2011 - 01:58
|"What would the damn sense be?" What does that mean? The sense would be breeding good dogs, that's what. You think the whole point is NAMES? Wow, I sure hope you're not breeding, MIA. SHORTSIGHTED? That's what you call people who breed for strong dogs rather than NAMES? WTF?|
Edit to add: MIA changed her post. That's why mine doesn't make a lot of sense. She said it made no sense to breed if you weren't breeding for names.
by Jenni78 on 30 August 2011 - 02:22
|Yeah, Jackie. I saw it. This is a great thread! We have it all; the ignorant hothead who doesn't do his homework and has to keep namecalling and telling ME how stupid I am, and now we have MIA who appears (oh, the irony) and now changes her posts.|
You can't look at anything logically w/out being called a name. I'm an ass-kisser, though I've never bought anything from Hans, and I'm "f-ing stupid" and "f-ing nuts" all because I pointed out that the info that he freaked about was plainly on the WEBSITE.
I sure haven't had too many problems selling my "no name" dogs, btw. Hmmmm.
I need some movie-size snacks and I'll be back.
by VomMarischal on 30 August 2011 - 02:24
|Are you calling me an ignorant hothead?|
Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what they wrote on my evals back in police academy lo these many years ago.
by yellowrose of Texas on 30 August 2011 - 02:31
| ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN!!|
HANG ON SLOOPY!!!
HI WADE HI WADE HI WADE: We have a new poster MIA>>> just joined""
SHE >>HE> know all about SISTER >BROTHER OOPS LITTERS?
NOW TONIGHT the poster (IP KNOWN) is now posting from HANS' Website with the Authourity of HOW YOU BREED NAMES.....
JENN< you nailed it:
by MissinginAction on 30 August 2011 - 02:43
|lol. you people are seeing ghosts, boo!|
by VomMarischal on 30 August 2011 - 02:57
|Ghosts of Banned Spirits Past.|
by gagsd4 on 30 August 2011 - 03:22
|From Jinopo's website: Puppies posted on this website are coming either directly from our breeding program or they are litter picked individuals from litters that come from the breeding of our stud dog to a high quality working female not directly owned by Jinopo.CZ. --sorry, couldn't help myself:) Mary|
by alboe2009 on 30 August 2011 - 03:48
|Such a shame...... I have just read the entire thread and at first I was going to say that we just needed to let Hans respond. Now that that has happened, the majority of the posters I somewhat respect even without meeting them. And I do listen to the majority of what they post. Hank, great post as usual! And Sable59, for what it's worth, I'm sorry for the health concerns.|
I enjoy for the most part reading from most of you and gathering info, experiences etc., etc.
I'm not here to choose sides or point fingers but to possibly point out either things that seem to be missing or maybe were not put into the conversation. And maybe to ad my .02/opinion/thoughts.
If you were buying an import was video available on puppies from breeding in question?
Papers from Sire/Dam were not available for viewing? i.e. scanned/photocopies.?
Were you solely interested from buying a pup from a specific breeding? And if so, was that not what happened?
I can't comment on how things are dealed/arrange in European countries but it appeared Ace new what he was talking about.
Unfortunately, we (some) only know of the situation by what is written here. Both parties involved are breeders, knowledgeable breeders. I would think both are familiar with contracts and such. I could even say between the two, even between friends, there are times things are ? missed, taken for granted, believed to be known? and the list goes on. Maybe that is the case here? Also, stress, health concerns..... maybe one missed something or overlooked something. Who really knows? I hope there is a remedy that satisfies all involved.
As for buying imports........ Even as a novice I'm going to RESEARCH the hell out of the prospect. My money is too important to me to take a hit in any way. But I'm more than satisfied with what I know, see or hear that comes from right here in the US of A. Not saying that the imports are or are not better, in my eyes. When I have the money where a negative hit/experience doesn't wipe my finances out then I might take that gamble of sorts. But like someone stated on a different thread. The offspring coming from the imports are here in the states.................
I'm a little torn about the hype over the name of the kennel though? Reselling the pup that was just bought? If this is a/the pup from the breeding you wanted then you have that. And (could be wrong) if you are saying the name makes the dog then I would think you as a breeder knows differently. And as everyone is always stating..... Puppies are a crap shoot just having titled parents/reputable breeder/kennels stack the odds a little better on your behalf.
In closing, I hope all concerned come up with a solution that all is happy with. And I hope we all know the outcome; good or bad. And in turn that will help someone else down the road when buying a dog or even an import dog. I have not witnessed the "before" antics of Sable59 but maybe his health issues contributed, (just a little) to this one. Again, i am sorry you have to, (or already have) sold your dogs.
by Jenni78 on 30 August 2011 - 03:57
|Jackie, LOL! No, I wasn't, but if the shoe fits...............ROFL!|
Alboe, good post. Very RATIONAL. Gosh, I love rational people.
by MissinginAction on 30 August 2011 - 04:50
|if you peeps think names do not sell than you are lost. quality counts and that goes back to lines(names). and jen without those great ddr lines(names) you would not be selling dogs. those lines(names) have helped you sell and if you think not, than you give yourself way to much credit. so, than z. PS meant nothing or any other great lines(names)? names are not the be all, end all, but they are very important. tell google, gm, apple, coke, pepsi and microsoft that names mean nothing. marketing 101.|
wade, i wish you the best and hope your health improves.
by alboe2009 on 30 August 2011 - 05:31
Maybe I'm missing something? Are you referring to the name of the dog, name of the Sire/Dam or the name of the Kennel selling the dog? Don't need a large debate but we had a few threads on this subject. MWDs, PSDs, and all the other "working" aspects in K9s. I don't think they are intersted in the names. Just the ability to accomplish mission/task at hand.
by vomeisenhaus on 30 August 2011 - 07:57
deleted - inappropriate and off topic. I don't know who pissed in your cheerios, if you dislike this place so much feel free to go elsewhere.
by heiko1 on 30 August 2011 - 08:13
|I have never bought a dog based on a kennel name. I have looked at certain kennels that are well known, but ultimately it boils down to the individual dog in question, regardless of the current/past fad of super duper dogs from these famous kennels.|
I could care less what the dogs "name" is as long as it fits my needs. At the same time I don't buy dogs to sell, and make money off them. I always look for good animals to compete and live with.
I think this gentleman's problem, is that the dog is not from a well known kennel name and will possibly hamper his re-sale value, purely monetary thinking on his part.
In my view, it's a shame we focus on less important things, such as pedigrees and loose the whole concept of actually picking a dog that can really work and perform.
BTW, the most disturbing part of this thread, is the video of the little guy being put in a situation he is clearly not ready for.
by duke1965 on 30 August 2011 - 08:59
what if someone went to koos hassing , bought a puppy and found out later the kennelname on the pup was vom glitsenbats
as far as the comments on the youtube clip on the pup you can also recognize the clueless
by Red Sable on 30 August 2011 - 09:50
| Look at the posts on here of new pups. First thing anyone asks, is what is the pedigree. Why? because you are banking on the fact that the well known dog in the pedigree is going to throw the desirable genes to your pup of course. The only time pedigree isn't as important is when it is an older dog and you can actually see it work. |
With the internet though, we put our faith in pedigree when buying a pup. Obviously you cannot buy it because of how it works. If it comes from a well known kennel known for breeding great dogs, up goes the price some more. and people pay more BECAUSE of the kennel name.
How can anyone argue this isn't so?
by Jenni78 on 30 August 2011 - 13:02
This is priceless, everyone. Read this quote from MIA before she changes it:
and jen without those great ddr lines(names) you would not be selling dogs. those lines(names) have helped you sell and if you think not, than you give yourself way to much credit.
Gotta love my DDR bitch, huh guys? LMAO
Now we know why MIA agrees about names- because she knows NOTHING about lines!!! I give myself no credit when it comes to selling dogs. The dogs speak for themselves and anyone who knows enough that I would consider selling them a dog knows when they meet them (or talk to people who have worked the dam or previous pups) can easily see what they are and I am going to wager that NONE of them would care if I registered them under a different name; my kennel name means squat. I've only bred a small handful of litters. I don't have a single dog w/a big name, and I don't even breed any but one bitch. Don't uneducated newbies sit up and spend hours at night trying to find a "vom Hagenberg" dog. ROFL. And they're experts and know all about the "von der Fasanerie" lines and how they would pair up w/Stadtfeld. This thread really is hilarious. I've heard it all now.
Red Sable, your general premise is true; people who don't know anything look for names they recognize. However, Wade bought a puppy from a place who sells dogs w/different names. His thread on the other forum is JINOPO DOG (only spelled wrong), meaning, that his concern is with selling/buying a dog from JINOPO. Jinopo is not a kennel name, therefore when he goes to "get rid of" this puppy, he can say "Jinopo dog" in his ad title, since he thinks that's so important (and it would be, if he were unable to describe the dog's temperament in detail). Jiri sent him the dog, the dog is from Jiri, it's from Jinopo, and that's why the majority of us just don't "get" the problem here. Only in people like Wade's minds is "z Jirkova Dvora" vastly superior to "z Blatenskeho zamku" or "od Roubenky." Ya see what I mean? It's not a universal truth, imo.
by steve1 on 30 August 2011 - 14:49
I have no qualms about a Pup coming from another Kennel if the Male is the one i want a Pup from and is recommended by the Breeder i first approached,
However what i think is right and correct is that i be told that the Pup is bred by another Kennel but recommended by the Guy i first asked that Jenni78 is courtesy to the Buyer before i pay money for the Pup then i can make my own mind up if i want to go ahead with the purchase, is that to much to expect from a breeder because if it is then i steer shy of such people.
Regarding Wade's Puppy for me the Pup has a deformed ear and that is not right for the breeder to expect the buyer to pay the travelling costs of the Pup to send it back and pay again for another Pup the Buyer is in no way in the wrong on that and should not be expected to pay for what is not his fault.
Let me tell you that if i sell a few Young Racing Pigeons to a fancier in the UK i live in Belgium usually if i have any for sale they go in sets of 6. The freight charge to get them to the UK is 120 dollars, then i have to pay a courier service to deliver them to the Guys house once in the UK thats costs me another 90 dollars so all told 210 USA dollars a set of 6. Now if anything happens to these babies or they go back in condition i have to pay the freight to get them home to me or replace them at my full cost, And there have been times when it has happened I do not argue at all the Customer must be satisfied, My reputation hangs on doing the right thing by the customer and i have stood by this throughout my life in every deal i make,
So if i buy a Puppy i expect the courtesy of being treated right, Now if this Wade is not satisfied with the Pup and it seems he was NOT TOLD it was bred by another Kennel as he should have been before he paid then the choice was his, But the Pups ear is not correct in that Video, a Photo would be better if he could put one on here, if it still is not right then the Pup should be returned free of any charges and his money reimbursed that would be the best way out for him.
If it happens the ear turns out okay without any messing about with then he on this occasion should bite the Bullet and give the Pup a chance and he should know by now signs of what the Pup is going to turn out like, but to much of what he was doing in that video will mess the Pup up big time and it is advisable to stop doing it.
by zmoderator on 30 August 2011 - 15:29
|Let's get one thing straight right now. Vickie is not posting on this thread, nor any other thread on PDB. The new poster is not Vickie or any other member. |
Yellow Rose you don't have access to IP numbers here, so I am confused by your statement that a member here has a known IP number that matches someone on Pragers site.
by Red Sable on 30 August 2011 - 15:51
|I agree with you Steve. It seems unfair for a kennel to send a faulty dog, and expect the buyer to pay shipping charges to send it back. OUCH. Good to know in advance|
by OGBS on 30 August 2011 - 16:54
|He bought the pup at 8 weeks old. It is now 7 months old.|
A lot could have happened in that time to the ear to cause it to be that way.
Why is it now important? What about the 5 months in between?
(It is only important now because he wants to sell the pup)
They have taken his word about the pup's ear and offered another pup at no charge.
He gets to keep the pup he has.
He only has to pay the shipping fees to get a new pup.
It is all in the contract.
What is difficult about understanding this?