German Shepherd Dog > Distraction question about the AD title (32 replies)
Distraction question about the AD title
by Smiley on 31 July 2011 - 13:34
|Trying to distract myself as I am shaking right now from another thread....|
I have a question about the AD title. I am interested in possibly trying to get a few Schutzhund titles on my puppy someday but without the bite work (as I am not emotionally ready for that)!
With the AD title, do they have to run continuously for 12 whole miles or are there breaks and water stops?
Is it on pavement or a trail? If pavement, is that safe on their joints?
Also, what speed is required? Could I run with my dog or are they kept on a leash behind a vehicle or something?
Sorry for my ignorance.
by Smiley on 31 July 2011 - 13:39
|Just thought I would add, I did contact a local schutzhund club and am hoping to go meet the members and learn. I also just offered to volunteer at one of their September events (or trials I think they are called) thinking that might help me learn more as well.....Maybe I can pick up poop or fill water bowls!|
by Dodger on 31 July 2011 - 13:44
|I did this with my GSD last year. We are on bikes and the dog runs by your side on lead. We were on half pavement and half grass track and we did 4 miles then a 15min break, another 4 miles and then another 15min break and then the last 4 miles. Straight after the judge assess the dog to check their pads and see how willing to play/work they are (basically to see how fit they are) after that we travelled to the club training pitch to do a quick obedience routine. |
I didn't have any titles with my dog before doing this either. hope this helps :)
by Smiley on 31 July 2011 - 13:48
|Dodger, thank you! Congrats on accomplishing this title with your dog!!|
Wow....on bikes, huh. I am not a coordinated person so I am seeing an ugly situation with me on a bike and holding a leash!! Yikes!!
How fast did you go?
How did you train for the requirements....a couple times a week on bike and mixed in hikes?
Thank you again for your time.
by Dodger on 31 July 2011 - 13:57
|From the age of 18 months i started doing some biking with Dodger. It was a good way to help exercise him and keep his fitness level up. I started slowly with him and got him up to doing a mile a day every morning, that then increased to two and so on. I also used to work at a vet hospital with a private underwater treadmill and pool so once a week i did some hydrotherapy with him.|
on the weekend we would do a 6 mile round trip to the beach and back with a few rest bites on the way and back. Once he got into the swing of it it was more me who had the fitness issues! lol
speed wise it is at your own pace. There was no max or min speed me and Dodge just found our usual steady pace and if we were last i wouldn't have minded.
some people used those springer things you attached to the bike and then to the dog but i just found it easier to train him to run along side the bike, left turn, right turn ect
by Smiley on 31 July 2011 - 14:09
|Oh, thank you..very informative!!|
BTW- He looks pretty gorgeous in photo!!
I just wonder if I will be stressing her joints by doing so much exercise before she is 2 as I will probably have to do most on pavement.....I like that you started out with short distances and took your time based on the dog's response to you.
But, maybe my concern is unwarranted as I don't know anything about the training process for these type of things.
However, lucky you...a water treadmill and a location close to the beach that is within biking distance..I am jealous!! hahaha
I bet the running on the beach was good conditioning as well. I am in New England so we have lots and lots and lots of hills for hiking! We do have a 2 mile bike path that is near me that would be 4 miles out and back. I could drive to a beach as well for the deep sand conditioning..probably the Cape or Newport would be the closest.
I guess I have time to figure it all out as she is still young yet.
But, I just want to know what I need to do to prepare for in the future. You can never be too educated on these things, right!
Thus, I do appreciate you educating me on the AD test!! It was just the information I was looking for!!
Thank you again.... :-)
by yorkjason on 31 July 2011 - 14:58
|Thought only the BH was required to enter for schutzhund titles and only needed AD if you enter for a koerung ???.|
by brynjulf on 31 July 2011 - 15:09
I might have read the original post wrong but I thought I would point out that a Schutzhund title can not be obtained without bitework, it is required for the title. Ad and BH are not technically titles at all. BH is the prerequisite for a Sch 1 so not really a title. Still a nice accomplishment . There is alot of confusion about that BH.
by steve1 on 31 July 2011 - 15:17
|You cannot take a AD test unless your dog has passed the BH, The 12 miles course is run over three separate distances with a short break after the first and second leg the Judge looks at the dogs pads and the dog to see if it is fit enough to complete the course.|
Some are on Pavements some are on other hard surfaces and Grass or Woodland depends where you take it over here, My last one with Izzy was all hard surface but that does not bother the dog at 18 months old plus, Speed around 10 to miles an hour we average If i can find one this year Gina needs to take it after September when she goes for her BH
by dmsharkey on 31 July 2011 - 16:49
|You can do the obdience and tracking portions of Schutzhund and not bitework. You will get titles in only those areas. For Koering, you dont need bitework if you have a hearding title. I think you still need a BH to do the obedience and tracking titles, but not sure if you need the BH as well before an AD.|
by steve1 on 31 July 2011 - 20:51
|I repeat if you go by the rules of the SV you cannot do the AD UNLESS you have done the BH test first I know it to be correct i have done a few of them and Gina cannot do her AD until she does her BH in September then if i can find a Club doing the AD before the end of the year i will do it|
Plus you cannot get a Dog Korung unless it has ScH1 and that includes bite work you have to do a bit of bite work to get the Korung no matter what some others may think here
You can however do a ScH1 or Sch2 tracking test before you go for the BH or AD this will go down in your work books, but still if you do a Sch1 you will have to do the tracking phase again on that day
Saying all this i do not know the Rules of you Guys in the USA i am quoting the rules we abide to over here in Belgium and Germany
by yorkjason on 31 July 2011 - 21:17
|The original post says smiley was asking about the AD for doing a few schutzhund titles I only thought BH was needed for schutzhund titles ???. AD only needed for Koerung but not schutzhund titles ?.|
by RLHAR on 31 July 2011 - 21:23
It may be different in Belgium and Germany than here in the USA. Per our rule book you do not need a BH to compete in an AD. A dog merely must be 16 months or older but no older than 6 years. In heat females may not participate in AD nor can bitches in whelp or nursing. The AD is a pass/fail and not seen as a training degree but as a requirement for show and breed survey.
Also a handler can not show a dog beyond a BH until that handler has passed their *first* BH themselves, including the written test. A BH is also required before continuing with any phases of the SchH sport, even if titles sought are only TR and OB.
by alkster2002 on 31 July 2011 - 21:49
|Not to be critical but the BH and AD are not titles ...................... the AD is not conducted if the temp is above 75 deg F .................. also the judge inspects the dogs over all condition on each rest stop and looks at the paws to make sure they are not rubbing raw ...|
by yellowrose of Texas on 31 July 2011 - 21:51
Hope you and yours are cool and doing good up there in the NICE BLUE COUNTRYSIDE
You be glad you are not here in TEXAS
WE are almost done or shall I say....WELL DONE....
THE ORTHOS KIDS SAY HI (Gr GRAND KIDS)
by Smiley on 31 July 2011 - 23:37
|Thank you all for clarifying!|
It looks like our first stop should be BH and then I can title in obedience and tracking (without protection)...if I read everyone's posts correctly!
And, I only need the AD if I want to get a breed survey, right?
Ok, thank you all for educating me as I am still learning about this stuff! :-)
by YogieBear on 01 August 2011 - 00:06
I would like to add that the course fo the AD is dependent on the club that you are going to participate at. Meaning they decide where it will be done. I picked the location of our last AD and it was at the highschool track - cork track..........Dog does have to get use to that just like pavement.........
You do have breaks at several mile markers in the 12.5 miles. Rest and water. Judge checks your dogs pad and condition during the AD.
You can go from 7 to 9 miles an hour. It is up to you and your dog. USA rules state a bike. It doesn't state that it cant be electric........lol - but behind a car---------come on! I think if you can run with them - then more power to you............
I personally got great reward on training for the AD with my dog. My boy is big - and I found him a bit slower than the little females that were in the AD with us. We went at our pace..... The females were at least 30 pounds lighter than my boy.........But he jogged along and I sang.....Gosh I had a good time - but I am glad the 12.5 miles is behind me.......
I would challenge anybody to do the AD........no BH required in USA..............
by Sheesh on 01 August 2011 - 00:37
|I agree with YogiBear. It was a very fun experience for me and my girl too, though we we're on bumpy uneven grass, dirt and gravel which was a bit uncomfortable for me... we had trained on nice paved trails and sidewalks. Also, here in the states you certainly do not need a BH before the AD, as I didn't have it before my AD. I know it is not considered a title, but I am proud of our accomplishment. :-) Best of luck to you! Theresa|
by YogieBear on 01 August 2011 - 01:07
|Sheesh - I consider the AD an accomplishment - some might not feel it a title - but not everybody has an AD on their dog.... and not all can say they did the AD with their dog........... 12.5 miles is a long way for some of the fat asses in schtuzhund here in the states......lol.......me included.........|
If you can - do the AD.......but make sure you condition yourself and your dog..... Best of luck........
by brynjulf on 01 August 2011 - 01:31
| Quoted "You can do the obedience and tracking portions of Schutzhund and not bitework. You will get titles in only those areas. "" |
In what country can you get a Schutzhund 1 without completing all three phases? A Schutzhund 1 here is only attainable with a passing score in all three phases. Nope no BH required for our AD either. Thank heavens as it is a breed requirement I just want out of the way so I can move on to the fun stuff......