German Shepherd Dog > Where is Spartanville (41 replies)
by kt484 on 07 July 2011 - 16:04
|My grandfather is from spartinsville czar von haus royal but my dog is from the von haus but I royal but I don't believe she breeds because when I was trying to learn the back grounds of the dogs I couldn't find her|
by Kelly M Shaw on 07 July 2011 - 17:32
|Yes, Connie is no longer breeding. She sold all of her dog's but kept Puck. She called me personally and asked if I wanted to purchase 1 of her females and explained why she was getting out of breeding after 17 years. If people want to know, then they should call her or email her.|
by wrestleman on 07 July 2011 - 19:37
|She bred nice big pet dogs and sold them as pets I think. Gregg is correct in his statments for sure. She had 2 nice brood bitches years ago but I am sure they are well gone by now.|
by Ace952 on 07 July 2011 - 21:01
|I won't call her dogs crap as I don't know them all personally and never worked them personally. More important is that the people that got them are probably more than happy with what they have and they don't feel like their dog is crap and that is what matters most.|
Show me a good dog and I can show your 3 trainers who think the dog is crap. Does it mean anything? No.
In a GSD world where breeders lie, sell anything to make a sale and what not I think she has more positive reviews than negative. And to sit on here and basically talk shit from a safe place (i swear that is all the internet is good for these days) is lame to me. I hope that she is happy and less stressed. Ive talked to her and almost bought a pup from her. Very nice and kind woman on the phone and in the end I went with another breeder that was in my backyard.
With regards to breeders not titling/trialing their dogs and therefore don't know their stock to me is somewhat valid butt hen somewhat b.s. There are a LOT of breeders that don't title and just b/c you title a dog does it mean that dog is great, fantastic. It just means it passed a routine test, thats it. Just b/c you go to college and get it a degree it doesn't mean that you're smart.
by vomeisenhaus on 07 July 2011 - 22:40
|People on here seem to forget what a good dog is. "A GOOD DOG IS A DOG WHO SATISFIES ITS OWNER". I don't feed someone elses dog or buy from someone who I don't think has what I'm looking for. Its like the "WHERE ARE ALL THE REAL GSD'S" thread...lol. As long as a dollar can be made there will be people breeding gsd's that a lot of us will deem as "undesirable". It isn't effecting me none because I just "won't buy it". And don't fool yourselfs either people. There are many breeders here with "WELL KNOWN" titled stud dogs that advertise in usa magazine that will breed an "UNTITLED" female as long as the hips are certified and the owner has the "STUD FEE" money. Kurt. Vom Eisenhaus|
by vomeisenhaus on 07 July 2011 - 22:56
|I think the serious working line breeder who only brees the best to the best should be glad there are breeders breeding what they think are "UNDESIRABLE". If every gsd out there was wusv material they wouldn't be able to get the $2,000 - $2,500 price tag they get for there puppies. Lol. I'm out. Sincerely. Kurt. Vom Eisenhaus|
by Pharaoh on 08 July 2011 - 04:29
|I don't know Connie personally, but, over the years she has been generous and kind with her medical knowledge. She is/was a nurse who worked with preemies, I recall.|
I have corresponded with many people who were very happy with her pups.
It would be very hard to have a serious full time job, a family, a breeding kennel and go out to do schutzhund. We all make choices about what we spend our lives on.
Pharaoh is closely related to her dogs and he definitely is NOT crap.
by kt484 on 08 July 2011 - 12:46
|I Think its very stupid for ppl to base a dogs ability on titles my black lab mix can do a whole schIII obedience and just because I don't but I'm in trials make him crappy? Hell you. And there are lots of dog in the wold like mine pure or mix. So please base it on something else. And lots of ppl who got her dogs are happy the only bad thing I heard was about the hip thing first of all of her dogs don't got hip problems so don't act like every dog has it. Second every gsd had faults that had to be bred out of them so for all ya 'GSD experts' like of others said everybody don't got time to train hundreds of hrs on dog sports|
by Schaferhunden on 05 August 2011 - 14:10
|Where is alkster2002? Did you get a PM from Spartanville to. I guess i ruffeled her feathers.|
by von sprengkraft on 07 August 2011 - 05:14
|K9mom...many dogs from Spartanville/Connie were structurally faulty...hips, elbows, etc. |
Quality dogs cannot be produced out of sub-quality males and females. Connie bought great males....who could not breed naturally. Females with no ring...could not breed naturally. Females 8/9/10 years old for breeding. Dogs with half an ear missing, back problems and seizures. This is all first hand information. Greg and I saw it all.
Connie and I had a falling out when I explained to her...when you make it only about the money, it is the German Shepherd Dog who suffers!!
It doesn't cost any more to feed a good dog!
by spartshep on 07 August 2011 - 06:58
|As Chip and many others call you, Psycho Debbie...you know nothing of which you speak. You haven't seen me in over 10 years. It would be in your best interest to focus on yourself and your shortcomings...no need to concern yourself with what others are doing.|
by Jenni78 on 07 August 2011 - 13:41
Rather unbecoming, imho, to sling personal insults (rather childish ones, at that) toward someone who only commented on DOGS that they have seen (or at least claimed to have seen firsthand). It certainly does tend to sway the reader...
by spartshep on 07 August 2011 - 15:25
|Jen..your point is well taken, I responded in a weak moment. I tried to edit it and it is too old|
by darylehret on 07 August 2011 - 15:46
|Anyone else wishing to comment, please consult this flowchart before proceeding further.|
by von sprengkraft on 07 August 2011 - 15:50
|Connie...which of those everybodies ever titled a dog. |
Do you not remember your imported SchH3 dog being euthanized in my arms, not yours. You could only think of the money. That dog had been a great dog, loved by someone at a younger time in his life. Who was it you bought that dog through?
I still make it about the dogs!
by spartshep on 07 August 2011 - 16:16
|Loss is never easy, but seriously...it was 12 years ago, he was in your care at your facility prior to his passing....I have not seen you in just as long. Please, let the dog rest.|
by Betty on 07 August 2011 - 21:46
|Best of luck to you in the future Connie, I've always enjoyed our conversations.|
by ramgsd on 09 August 2011 - 01:48
|If you haven't seen Debbie then you weren't at the worlds when it was here a few years back. Nor could you have been at the last couple of regionals. Or 3 or 4 club trials I can think of off hand. You have to leave your yard to be seen by others.|
I didn't know I need to see the breeder to see that a dog(s) from their program has structural faults. Learn something new every day.
by Valerie Clayton on 19 August 2011 - 14:50
|I have lots of respect for Alkster and Sprengkraft, they are both very knowledgeable and have years of experience training, trialing and breeding. But Connie is a lovely person and I, personally, have never known her to be anything but honest with me about her dogs, and what she does and does not do with them, and this counts for quite a bit. |
To put this in perspective, around '91 I went to see an old German guy in the SE Michigan area who bred, trained and titled his own dogs, and who had a 6 month old male pup he was asking $2500 for (a lota $ in '91). He knew I wanted a dog to do schutzhund and conformation with. I started playing with the dog and realized the pup had an overbite you could put your finger in. I said "uh ___, I could drive a truck thru this pup's overbite." And he said, "This makes him grab the sleeve better" LOL I looked at him to see if he was going to laugh, but he kept a straight face, and then I burst out laughing. It's then that he smirked sheepishly and laughed a little. Now, would you rather buy a dog from this old German breeder/trainer, or someone who only breeds but is honest? The answer is not so clearcut.
by jkhristov on 27 October 2011 - 11:53
|Looks like Connie is back in action - I'm happy to see she wasn't going forever.|