German Shepherd Dog > Chequers BAGSD show (88 replies)
by charlesppope on 02 July 2011 - 08:47
|Fancy seeing you here Paul, I thought you said you’d made your last comment? Can’t trust anything some people say can you!?|
Its me done too Abby Normal.
For the record, MY final words are - There is no way I am listing stuff here that includes names of people whos details are not already in the public domain. Reasonable people would accept why that is the case which excludes Paul, although I never was counting him on my numbers.
I have already provided , names of people who'd been personally involved in some of this stuff.
Kay Waddington assured me that she would FULLY investigate my claims in which case she will be able to *independently* verify that what I’m saying is indeed the truth.
Why would she not have done as she said? She is, after all, the show manager and BAGSD representative for this show in question. She has my full permission to release my phone details to anyone she feels has a valid reason for having them.
This offer of contact extends also to genuine official representatives of the rescue, and not just people like Paul who seem to have turned up to sound important.
I cant be fairer than that when some people will never accept what I say even if proof were staring them in the face.
Not one of the people demanding proof has sought to contact me in this way which suggests to me that your apparent concern has some ulterior motive.
If this thread has done nothing else, it has hopefully highlighted that dates dogs were rehomed are more important to Paul than fostering dogs in homes banned from keeping them . Strange that.
by leiasmum on 02 July 2011 - 10:24
|How very wrong. I have myself contacted Kay Waddington, who denies having your contact details.|
She also states, and I trust her 100% , that she has no evidence from you to prove any wrongdoing with the finances of the rescue they are supporting.
So once again, a rumour monger. How very pitiful.
by lidia on 02 July 2011 - 13:06
|How cunning leiasmum that you ask Charles not to PM you, and then post a public comment when he’s told you he’s said his final word. Have you considered the reason Kate Waddinton has no evidence is because she hasn't investigated this matter? She's contacted none of the people who's details she requested. And I know this because I gave my permission for her to contact myself. I am still waiting for the call. Does this surprise me? Not at all! She already dismissed probing questions asked by last years show organiser, so why should I expect her to treat me as anyone special? I can only assume she has a hidden agenda of her own that makes her want to impede the public being able to make an informed decision when considering support for BAGSD show.|
by leiasmum on 02 July 2011 - 13:11
And after I asked him not to pm me anymore, HE DID!!
by lidia on 02 July 2011 - 14:41
|I always thought you were completely stupid Leiasmum. Now I know!|
by Abby Normal on 02 July 2011 - 22:45
|Saying you're done with a thread doesn't mean you can't come back and post again if you feel strongly enough - as I have just proved.|
Leiasmum - that is the most convincing piece of evidence that this is, (as it was last time) a nasty personal vendetta against this woman Suzanne.
Good for you for following it up and speaking to Kay.
Lidia - Doesn't Charles claim thathe has supplied 'evidence' to Kay Waddington. The statement Kay made to Leiasmum suggest that she has about as much evidence as he has given here - in other words none.
Hardly 'cunning' that LM asked for no more PMs but then made a public comment here. It is the right of anyone on here to do so, as some people sending PMs have a high 'nuisance' value. LM you can block any particular person from sending you messages, you will see a 'block this sender' message that you can click on which prevents them sending you further messages. In a situation like this, I think if anyone has anything to say they should be prepared to say it publicly anyway. More open and honest I think.
Lidia - so now you say Kay Waddington has her own hidden agenda... This is priceless. I am sure you were truly disappointed not to be able to put your spoke in.
Maybe she simply has realised what's going in and doesn't want to be drawn into your personal, rather sad war. In fact, maybe she has investigated and found nothing to support your 'campagin'. Never mind, I'm sure you will try again at some point.
Charles if people saw 'proof' etc.....well we will never know will we, since you never presented any.
by GSD4life1 on 12 July 2011 - 13:59
The UK German shepherd rescue was started by volunteers who left that rescue and started again, this time putting dogs first before mass funding, before politics and before rescue ownes needs
And this just shows what a liar you are.
Since you and Suzanne Syers set up Uk german shepherd rescue you have done nothing but try to close the other rescue down and discredit it due to your differences and politics with "the other rescue" known as German shepherd dog rescue, formally known and as quoted here German shepherd rescue Uk. Your new rescue name was chosen very carefully by you and syers to confuse the members and volunteers already with the other rescue, a name very close to which WAS still in use when you set up!! Just as you have coppied many things from this rescue
Recent examples of you trying to discredit with fraud fake postings.
Firstly. A PHOTO SHOPPED FAKE picture blasted around your site by YOU, Suzanne syers and ALL key volunteers on Facebook profiles and still remains on their profiles even though the police confirmed to be FAKE and you and the rescue you volunteer for KNOW its FAKE. This damaging picture supposedly taken from a thread. The original thread is still there for all to see , the FAKE PHOTO SHOPPED copy has the posters in the same order but the message content altered and replaced by some sick words. Luckily for the other rescue and its members this could easily be seen that it had been photo shopped and changed, but for those who did not dig a little deeper it would be only what YOU and your rescue had put out. Which was a heap of bull and this is what your aimed at.
This ultimately could have damaged the rescue and not the owner who was targeted. this then affects the hundreds of dogs this rescue homes each year as the largest GSD rescue. Strangely enough Paul you are the photo shopper for UK German shepherd rescue. coincidence? i think not.
Secondly. You again blasted the same rescue for not taking pleading calls from a woman who was looking after a dog that had been abandoned. You personally posted that you and the rescue had kindly sorted the lady out that "the other rescue" had ignored and helped by taking the dog and stated QUOTE "He's SAFE thanks to UK gsd.."
THE TRUTH confirmed the same night from the very angry lady who this was about who had to post on the other rescues site to set the story right. She had actually been ignored from UK gsd rescue and it was infact the other rescue that had taken in this dog and helped her.
Also the two blind puppies Ruby and Roma were and are blind and treatment was just a PR stunt and totally disgusting You conned both public and sponsors. Your show page has removed all connections to these puppies which is was supposed to be in aid of!!
LIES and BULL
Your just full of it Paul Duxbury. I feel sorry for any good organization that gets involved with these people.
Rescue is about the safety of animals and only the safety of them, yet you and your fellow rescue crewe have done their damdest to discredit another in the hope of its members coming over to you. Should you give a crap about the dogs you would work alongside them not try to tear them apart with garbage knowing its garbage. Two small examples of many where you have done just the opposite with your spite towards a rescue you once worked with. Also your bull regards you just do the website and donate LOL.Please. admittedly the general public on FB are easily fooled. Don't take all posters in the same light
by noddi on 12 July 2011 - 15:18
To be honest i,m becoming rather bored n annoyed at the contstant bickering n backstabbing these two gsd rescues keep indulging in.Come on guys,run your own rescues n ignore wot each other are doing.Truth will always come out in the end,the only ones who will lose out is the dogs,coz i for one would not approach either organisation at the present to enquire about adopting,fostering or helping financially.OLI,PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THIS BY DELETING THIS THREAD AS IMO.IT HAS RUN ITS COURSE.Thank you.Carole S.
by GSD4life1 on 12 July 2011 - 15:37
|Regards approaching either, i have to agree Carole. Frightening thought.|
Just don't like those who portray themselves as the innocent get away with their bad procedures. They don't deserve to be in the world of rescue.
by Wildmoor on 12 July 2011 - 22:21
Yes especialy when they support a breeder who breeds from unregistered ub health tested stock
21 minutes agoSuzanne Syers
this person admitted to breeding dogs that were not registered and she doesnt hip score because "you cant hip score if they are not KC reg"
Bull, why Suzanne have you removed me I was not abusive apart from calling her a BYB which she is, it is not slander if truthful she doesnt hip or elbow score her dogs are not registered, she probably only offered to foster to get her hands on potential breeding stock
by Wildmoor on 19 July 2011 - 21:25
Just to inform everyone I have since had a public apology - AS is a BYB and the UKGSDR no longer support her - those on my FB will have seen the update
by PaulGSD2 on 20 July 2011 - 16:54
Just like to add my condolences to the poor lady who adopted a GSD from Katherine Simons who works for the German Shepherd Dog Rescue. What a terrible thing to happen, imagine rehoming a dog that is dog aggressive to a home with a resident dog. Well to cut a long story sort the rescue GSD attacked and killed the family pet. Imagine that happening in front of you, this would be your worse nightmare. And then the rescue to refuse to collect their rescue dog because, well frankly it can't happen again! This is real rescue madness. After reading all the posts above slandering the UK-GSR it does make you wonder how the UK leading and most experienced GSD rescue (their own words) can get it all so wrong. Email memo from their boss Jayne Shenstone showing concern "Keep this quite and leave the dog there". Unfortunately one co-coordinator didn't agree with brushing another PR nightmare under the matt and quit airing her views, this soon was following up with a threat of being sued by Shenstone. I believe Simons also did the assessment on this dog, makes you wonder how many other dogs this rescue has put at risk. Frankly I would be suing Shenstone for everything she is worth.
by Abby Normal on 20 July 2011 - 17:49
This is a horrible story, but - I will say to you what I said to Charles. Provide the evidence. Copy of the email? Name of dog? When? If true I would guess that the family involved will certainly take it further, I know I would - if all the facts are actually as stated by you. Has it been reported in the local press?
What happened to the GSD - where is it now??
Having seen the evidence of how much you despise GSDR I would only be prepared to give this story any credence with hard evidence.
by lidia on 20 July 2011 - 18:14
|This unfortunate tale must have been a gift to you Paul was it?|
Did you post on here before, or after you complained to the Charity Commission? which, of course, would have been the right route to have gone with a grievance about a registered Charity.
and there is time yet
by PaulGSD2 on 20 July 2011 - 18:33
|Abbey that is a great idea to report it to the local press, I am sure it will find its way there, but not by me. I just wanted to point out that anybody can make a mistake, some just get reminded about it more than others.|
>>lndia<< yes report for trading under the false trading names of UK German shepherd rescue & German shepherd rescue UK and misleading the public, since my complaint the GSDR have registered both trading names and so now Jayne Shenstone (GSDR) also operates under the name UK German Shepherd rescue, maybe just to add more confusion, but why I don't know??? She could of volunteered if she liked the UK-GSR so much.
by lidia on 20 July 2011 - 19:06
|>>lndia<< yes report for trading under the false trading names of UK German shepherd rescue & German shepherd rescue UK and misleading the public, since my complaint the GSDR have registered both trading names and so now Jayne Shenstone (GSDR) also operates under the name UK German Shepherd rescue, maybe just to add more confusion, but why I don't know???|
Not sure why you are surperised about the name changes. Its not like its the first time its happened.
When she resigned as Treasurer from Second Chances for GSD Rescue (a registered charity in Scotland) the same woman set up her own rescue using exactly the same name.
And I have some questions for Abby Normal: Is it true that, in a private message, Charles Pope provided you with names and phone numbers to back up some of the claims he made? Is it also true that, after all the shouting you have made for these things to be provided that you've not followed up that information? but have, instead, attempted to justify the situation? or is Charles lying to me as well?
Didnt she set up her own rescue called Second Chance
by Abby Normal on 20 July 2011 - 19:12
You've answered very little.......Copy of the email? Name of dog? When? Where is the said GSD now??
I just wanted to point out that anybody can make a mistake, some just get reminded about it more than others.
Oh come on.....
If all you say is true, why would you not report it to the press yourself? Why did the family whose dog it was not go to them, if all has happened as you say?
You obviously complained to the charities commission, so why stop at giving the press such a dreadful (but juicy for you) story?
All this 'secret squirrel' stuff is very, very tedious.
by PaulGSD2 on 20 July 2011 - 19:42
|Abbey, the complaint was made only because of the GSDR was making itself appear as they where the UK German Shepherd rescue in Google search results, GSDR say the UK-GSR copy their rescue yet they confuse people using search engines, the real UK German shepherd rescue now uses the term UK-GSR to avoid further confrontation, no other complaints about the rescue was made. The recent incident has only just happened so I am watching the results unfold too, the dog is still in the home so would be unfair to name it at this point.|
Don't get me wrong, I support the work of the GSDR and or at least the work of its volunteers, it would be a far greater rescue if its RSPCA activist owner stood down and stopped holding it back.
by Abby Normal on 20 July 2011 - 22:06
|Good grief, this would be funny if it weren't so damned tragic.|
2 rescues COMPETING with one another, worried about who comes out top in google rankings, jostling for 'the market' in rescue GSDs? Both rescues should get over themselves as far as I am concerned. You know, it doesn't matter a jot to most people who is the biggest, or best, or appears to be number one. What most people care about is that the dogs are rescued and rehomed. END OF.
When GSD UK or whatever you are calling yourselves now set yourselves up you chose a name that could not have been more similar to that of GSDR UK (as was). If you weren't trying to 'confuse' or mislead people by doing that, then I don't know how else you could explain such a mirror image name. Lets face it you could have called it Safe Haven GSD Rescue or ANYTHING, but you didn't, so I don't think you should be moaning about being confused with them now. Please save the b*ll*cks about supporting GSDR - how stupid do you think we are????
I really do think I have to be done with this, as it is becoming very tiresome and frankly is tarnishing the reputation of all rescues, which I find both depressing and demoralising. I think between you, you have damaged GSD rescue generally and in doing so have jeopardised the future of many rescue dogs. How bloody sad is that.
by PaulGSD2 on 20 July 2011 - 22:34
|Abbey you are clearly against the UK-GSR so no matter what is said your mind has already been made up, if the UK-GSR was called something else we would still be here today. Its not just the rescue name but simply being a GSD rescue. Seen these posts so many times, faceless brainwashed do-gooders hiding behind fake profiles slagging off the UK-GSR, at least people know me, dare you give your real name away and state what you do within the rescue.|