German Shepherd Dog > ? ?Police Dogs Dead in Heat??? (18 replies)
? ?Police Dogs Dead in Heat???
by Penny on 27 June 2011 - 19:14
I hope that some-one can confirm I have been given wrong informatuon here. I have heard that two police operational dogs a GSD youngster and a Mali have died in the heat of their car. I can`t find any details of it, and I sincerely hope its wrong.
by matt 90 on 27 June 2011 - 19:52
by GSDUK on 28 June 2011 - 07:12
|The guy responsible is not an operational dog handler.He used to be until he was given a supervisory role at the dog training establishment. 5 years ago he did the same thing and despite a full investigation, he was not found guilty of anything more than an accident!!! Oh and he was promoted AFTER he had killed the first 2 dogs.|
by Siantha on 28 June 2011 - 07:20
|this is wrong i feel guilty leaving my dogs in the air conditioning lol. how could you leave them in a unventalated car.|
by A Shepherd on 28 June 2011 - 09:31
|GSDUK how do you know it is the same person responsible for the other two shepherd car deaths?|
It doesnt mention this as a fact in any of the news reports. AS
by GSDUK on 28 June 2011 - 10:01
|I read a statement (not a Police statement) from a retired dog handler that worked with him. If you would rather catch up via the media. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008691/Sergeant-Ian-Craven-suicide-bid-police-dogs-die-heat-car.html includes news of his attempted suicide which the BBC are at the moment reporting as a hand injury.|
by ciara1 on 28 June 2011 - 10:03
|In the news article it states there had been two incidences.. one in 2009 and this one which has just occured.. I think it a shame that the Officer would not consider the health and welfare of the animals.. Hopefully he is repremanded and dismissed from duties.|
by A Shepherd on 28 June 2011 - 14:11
|Thankyou GSDUK, shame his suicide bid was unsuccessful it would have ensured there were no more poor, innocent dogs getting murdered while supposedly in the 'care' of this outrageously, irresponsible and inconsiderate officer. The BBC probably hit it right on the button reporting it as a hand injury, as its more than likely that his failed bid was just a pathetic ploy at trying to get some sympathy for himself, (the selfish prat) than a real 'serious' suicide attempt. No-one who is seriously contemplating suicide does so by making moves which immediately alerts others such as was reported i.e when he jumped out of his colleagues car, pleeeze, in anyone this thick to be drawn in by that? Suicide is too quick a death for him anyway, his punishment should be to be locked up in what, during the WW11, were refered to as 'Coolers' and left there to fry. I would do it too, this guy is a repeat offender so no excuses and absolutely no sympathy for him, only the poor dogs who suffered at his hand. AS|
by Donnerstorm on 30 June 2011 - 09:00
|OK didn't see the site, however for those of us that deal with PD handlers let's look at this logically. Thjey aren't breeders, they aren't trainers and depts do NOT want to pay for training so half the time you have a first time dog owner, esp a first time working line high drive dog owner w NO training! Not to mention a trainer and certifier that had no desire to inform the poor handler and protect his dog! If dept owned they can demand what is done w the dog, so before we hang this poor guy while yes sad how many of you have done his job? I'm sure it was NOT intentional! I would not sell that dept a dog however still not probably his fault!|
by Abby Normal on 30 June 2011 - 19:57
|I understand he previously killed a springer spaniel the same way just 2 years ago. Yes the dogs that died were a mal and a GSD puppy. Poor, poor dogs.|
A Shepherd: you echo my feelings exactly. When I heard he had 'attempted' suicide, all I said was what a damn shame he failed.
Donnerstorm: This ***** is not a first time dog owner. He just happens to have killed a dog before. You might think that having done that he would never, ever be so stupid again. This is a police officer, a sergeant and so you would also assume some level of intelligence to be present. I and millions upon millions of other people were first time dog owners once, and managed not to kill our dogs, usually by employing good old common sense and consideration for another living thing.
What genius I wonder decided that someone who had negligently killed a dog in a hot car previously should be promoted and put in charge of .... a dog unit. He should never have been allowed near a dog again. In fact, if he couldn't manage to look after a dog, it doesn't give me much faith in his ability/judgement to be a police officer at all. He should lose his job, and so should the genius that put him in charge of a dog unit.
by Pirates Lair on 30 June 2011 - 20:42
|"shame his suicide bid was unsuccessful"|
Shame on you for making such a comment, no excuse for the mans actions, would seem his department has to shoulder some responsibility as well.
Wishing that this particular persons suicide attempt was successful is wrong any way you look at it.
by destiny4u on 02 July 2011 - 02:27
|ok but the death of he dogs led him to suicide attempt? i know many many pet owners including family members including myself who have depression/ocd and have never forgotten anything that would put my pets life in danger it makes you more of a spook and u worry about your pets more if anything, you freak out more easily and check on them more often and fear the worst i cant see how in gods name ocd could make u forget ?|
depression if the depression was that bad shouldnt he take leave?
The suicide cause the dogs was dramatic sound like lots of personal problems i cant believe they dont just give him a pension let him work out his problems with a shrink get himself back together and maybe come back or something a few things are going on it looks like, he jumped out of a car and then hide himself when they found him he had slit his wrists that is not someone that should be a police officer isit? sound like a danger to the public, hopefully he can get better.
by Siantha on 02 July 2011 - 05:29
|i still feel that this man should never be allowed to own a dog because of this nothing more becides a good fireing. but honestly if he was trying to commit suicide after this it makes me think this man should never have bin on the PD let alone a k9 handler. im sorry but a k9 is your PARTNER you dont leave your PARTNER behind or to die in a car. o well i had to sit on the shitter and it took too long No excuse can make up for it. there was absolutely no reason for these k9s to have died in a car im sorry. thats neglagence on the PD's part and the handler and everyone at this training for not noticeing.|
at my schutzhund meetings if im standing outside my car and i get hot ill roll up the windows and Ac the car. i will not let my dogs get heat stroke. i also have battery operated fans.
by Abby Normal on 02 July 2011 - 07:33
|I heard that two people at the centre smashed the windows to get the dogs out, but they were too late.|
Call me a cynic, but the policeman that killed a dog last year the very same way was 'suddenly' suffering with depression blah blah blah.
If he had OCD, he would never, ever have had this happen - quite the reverse.
He's trying to gain sympathy to get away with what he's done as lightly as possible, and not lose his job. Same as the bloke last year, who didn't lose his job.
I understand that his wife too is a K9 handler, if he was my husband I'd kill him myself.
by destiny4u on 02 July 2011 - 07:57
|exactly how can the judge society or whatever bought the ocd crap be so stupid and see ocd as a reason? someone with ocd would check on their dog in a car every half a second|
having ocd means checking over and over and over way to much it will make u worry about something that is a lil stressful like your cat didnt come home before dark and u will keep checking all night every half hour till morning. That is what real ocd does to someone. Pets are usually much safer in the hands of an ocd person cause of their high anxiety/worry.
by gsm44 on 02 July 2011 - 09:46
|As I stated on a previous thread about 2 GSD's that also died in a Police car,there are rules for the Police and rules for everyone else.|
This drivel about being depressed is a very lame and completely unacceptable excuse.
No doubt when the media interest dies down he will be shifted to a cushy desk job or pensioned off on a full pension as if nothing has happened.
No doubt the previous perpetrator is living a similar lifestyle.
by hunger4justice on 03 July 2011 - 22:15
|No excuse for that when K9 Heat Alarm Pro and other such devices will remotely alert the handler when the a/c is/or the battery is about to fail.|
he HA-2510, K9 HEAT ALARM® Pro, is a temperature monitoring system for use in a canine vehicle. The unit monitors vital components including temperature sensors, vehicle battery voltage, and engine stall. The information is shown on a 32-character backlit alphanumeric display. If an alarm condition is detected the unit will activate a S.O.S. Horn Honk signal, siren and light-bar activation and dual window drop. Software based features allow for future upgrades.
There is a remote pager that comes with if ordered
by Siantha on 04 July 2011 - 04:08
|yep i have never seen a k9 vehicle that did not have a acek9 heat sensor.|
by Abby Normal on 04 July 2011 - 17:34
|I don't know what 'alarm' system if any our K9 units in the UK have, but will now check, and send the dog centre concerned the information you have sent. This is just happening way too often in the UK.|
However, I believe in this instance the dogs were in his private car, not a policy dog vehicle.