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Working Dog Pup by Lakewood SAR on 24 June 2011 - 01:58 |
| I have a chance tomorrow 6-24-2011 , to obtain a german shepherd female that is 5 months old. She already knows basic obedience and alerts well. Her sire is a Certified Local Law Enforcement Working Dog and I don't know about the dam. From speaking with the person who has her, I'm told she should weigh about 100-lbs when full grown. Seems awfull big for a female ? I'm just wondering what I should expect when I go to see her test her drives tomorrow ??? Her sire is an imported Police dog from germany. He is one awesome k9. I will appreciate any thoughts or ideas..... |
by GSDPACK on 24 June 2011 - 02:04 |
100 pounds is a little too much.. like 30 pounds little too much |
GSDPACK by Lakewood SAR on 24 June 2011 - 02:11 |
| Yeah, I kow, I'm thinking about 75 Max . The biggest gsd i ever had was 110 lbs. Tore the heck outta the kennel. But, he passed away of medical issues. But other than the weight thing, she has a great pedigree with her sire being a drug dog and an import....Thats all I know till tomorrow...I will keep posted about her... |
by KellyJ on 24 June 2011 - 04:34 |
| The owner could be using that as a sales pitch, or simply not know what thier talking about. How much does she weigh now? Hope all goes well and she show promising drives, and proper size! |
KellyJ by lovejags on 24 June 2011 - 05:10 |
| WOW! A HUNDREDPLUS POUNDS. THAT IS A BIT HEAVY. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW, SHE MAY END UP NOT WEIGING THAT MUCH. GOOD LUCK WITH HER. |
lovejags by Lakewood SAR on 24 June 2011 - 13:49 |
| uhhmmmm.......... I have sent the breeder/owner several texts and emails to no avail about wanting to come and see the k9. He has not even responded to the texts. I don't know what to do ?????? |
by brynjulf on 24 June 2011 - 15:00 |
| Take it as a sign... These pups are not what you want for SAR. Can you lift 100+ pounds over a 5 foot fence? Into a helicopter? in front of you in a vehicle? On a quad? These are all very important details small is definately better for a search and rescue dog. |
by GSDNewbie on 24 June 2011 - 15:06 |
| Walk away, find a reputable breeder that you have time to check into them and make sure they are honest. |
GSDNewbie by Siantha on 24 June 2011 - 18:08 |
| yea lol my female who is my sar dog is a pain in the butt to repel with and shes 90 lbs it def is harder all the other dogs on my team are 50-60 lbs max most are smaller than that but my big girl has her advantages as she can get where the others cannot sometimes and has alittle more power but its much harder on the handler haha |
Siantha by Pharaoh on 24 June 2011 - 20:04 |
| I am concerned that there is no mention of health clearances on mommy and daddy. OFA hips and elbows? Degenerative Myelopathy tested? Cerf tested(eyes)? Thyroid? What about the pedigree? You want a working dog for real work. These things are especially important for rugged work like search and rescue. I am less concerned about the BS about weight. The pup is 5 months old. What does she weigh? What is the size of her mother, or father. My suspicion is that as others have mentioned, a weird sales pitch. But the worst sign of all is that you said:
"uhhmmmm..........
I have sent the breeder/owner several texts and emails to no avail about wanting to come and see the k9. He has not even responded to the texts. I don't know what to do ??????" Communication will never get any better than it is now and right now it SUCKS!!!!! If I have learned anything from all the people who pushed through this stage thinking it would get better after the deal is done. Sadly, it may only get worse, a lot worse.    Get away while you still can. RUN, don't walk.... Because, we don't want to hear the next chapter, another sad drama.   Good luck, learn from other's sad tales. Michele |
Pharaoh by SitasMom on 24 June 2011 - 20:26 |
Don't believe the breeder about the certifications, ask to SEE them, same with any title that sire and dam may have attained........seeing is beliving. |
by alboe2009 on 24 June 2011 - 20:51 |
| With your AVATAR name we don't know if this pup is a future prospect? I would think co-workers or assisting agencies you work with would have excelent candidates already in the works? Why go to someone whose "word" appears to be tarnished before you even have the pup? |
alboe2009 by Lakewood SAR on 24 June 2011 - 23:36 |
| You guys have CONVINCED me !!! Yes, the dog would have been a Possible candidate. Oh well, Some aren't what they seem to be .... |
by Lakewood SAR on 24 June 2011 - 23:38 |
| Hey Pharaoh , I really like your insight, Thanks..... |
by Siantha on 25 June 2011 - 01:32 |
| Pedigree is nothing when it comes to a dogs capability to be a Sar dog its the dog its self. thats why the national sar foundation uses shelter dogs to do it. any dog of Any breed that has the drive and the willingness to do the work can be a sar dog we had a little terrior to a border collie to a golden and shepherds they all have their bonuses and their setbacks alot of people just want a BIG dog so they say crap like that. but i feel pedigree is nothing for sar now for schh and that kind of work it gives you a better insentive to kno the pup may have a good chance at doing the work you ask of them but my male was from Shit parents he was a 50$ dog i picked up from someone in oregon on craigslist. he turned out to have great drive and was a wonderful dog. |
by GSDNewbie on 25 June 2011 - 04:29 |
Any dog with ability can do it no matter what breeding correct. Our sar group head guy had pet breeder quality labs doing sar that is when they were sound enough to walk in between the surguries on hips and elbows. Who wants to take just any dog that may work and spend all that money and time training to have odds stacked against you that the dog can hold up physically? Prior pedigree knowledge does help thin the chances you would not have wasted a year or so trying to get a working partner only to have a health issue pop up when the dog starts going hard and it cant handle it. Side note: He was breeding these labs and using that they were sar dogs to sell the pet puppies never once telling his buyers of the surguries! His dogs were down and not able to search 85 percent of the year. |
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