German Shepherd Dog > OFA results came yesterday :( (53 replies)

by steve1 on 15 June 2011 - 20:25
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As i said if you and others on here want to see Dysplastic Hips then look on the Web there's enough for anyone to see,
This Lady has had her hopes dashed and she does not need reminding of it by seeing her Dogs Joints x-rays on this Forum do you not get that, the Lady may be okay with showing them but as sure as hell i would not and i think somehow she will feel the same.
However there is no more to be said i hope the dog goes on okay in later life no reason why it should not do so, good luck to Darla and her Dog
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by ggturner on 15 June 2011 - 22:04
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Darla,

I have a 3 yr old spayed female with HD.  She is doing great.  We give her ester C supplements along with glusosamine/chondroitin supplements every day.  She is only slightly stiff sometimes on cold, wet winter days.  On those days, she stays indoors and my vet said she can take aspirin (5 -10 mg for every pound of body weight every 12 hours).  She runs and plays normally, but we don't let her jump.  She only weighs 65 pounds (keeping the weight down helps).  We enjoy her immensely and she is the smartest of our 3 gsds.  Hope your dog does well---enjoy her!
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by Darla13 on 16 June 2011 - 03:20
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The day the xrays were taken, the vet looked at them and said she was worried about them so she recommended we start giving condroytin glucosemine(?) So we have been doing that. I dont have xrays... I have a follow up appt to go over the results on Wednesday, maybe I can get a copy of the xrays then.
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by windwalker18 on 16 June 2011 - 05:55
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I know it's a blow that knocks the wind out of you.. If her x-rays were shown to be severe dysplasia, not just borderline you probably would get the same result with a 2nd x-ray.  Were the x-rays done with her under sedation?  I ask as this will sometimes effect the positioning of the x-rays.  If not you might want to have a 2nd set done and sent in before having her spayed. Odds are that the results will be the same and spaying is the best for the improvement of the breed.

I do want to remind  that Dysplasia is not a death sentence, I've seen many many dogs who x-rayed as dysplastic go on to live long normal lives and never even show lameness.  Had one black female 30 years ago with basically no hip sockets, nor heads on the femur but she could jump straight up and over a 6' fence with no problem.  (no she was never bred). Wishing the best to you and your sweet gal for a great future, though not the one you'd hoped for.
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by Keith Grossman on 16 June 2011 - 14:46
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More important than the x-rays is the dog's lineage.  Would you consider sharing her pedigree with us?
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by Bob McKown on 16 June 2011 - 19:40
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Darla:

              Does your dog show outwards signs of pain or immobility? I,ve seen dogs labeled Dysplastic that never show any symptoms or pain.  If you were planning on working her you still can your only venue restricted would be breeding.

What does your vet think of the xrays ? is he okay with there findings or not of agreement?.

Steve:

            The 2nd opinion issue can pop up when there are issues with the xray clarity or position issues. There are also 2 different types of hip test,s here in the USA OFA and PennHipp. Both look at the hip structure in a different text. OFA judges hip joint structure only. PennHipp measures hip joint laxity based on it,s findings it ranks the dog in the database in percentile units. Penn Hipp is based on a written set of rules and clarifications so there is little room for personnel interpretation where OFA gives you the opinion of 3 board certified Ortho vets(supposedly).

 OFA lists on there web site that 38 percent of all xrays with a failing rating are due to improper position or xrays being unclear for specific evaluation. It is also much easier to squ the findings and ratings in OFA,say a breeder has several dogs out of a litter Ofa,d and only say 2 out of 5 have good sound hip structre the owner can simply choose to not send in the bad xrays and the findings for the breeding are inaccuarte for that breeding pair. In Penn HIpp each Vet is supplied with a series of #,rd films each film MUST be returned to Penn Hipp and entered into there database for a more realistic set of data. The Vets that do Penn Hipp must also go thru a certifing class to assure they are all doing the procedure correctly before there allowed to do the procedure.     

 Penn Hipp isn,t accepted like OFA I believe because it,s a better evaluation of the possible development of a dysplastic animal. and It,s cost,s are more expensive.

 I can atest to the fact that not all OFA evaluations are correct so a 2nd opinion especially if your vet questions the rating also.

I also get my dogs that I want to breed both OFA and Penn Hipp tested.



     
 

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by VonIsengard on 16 June 2011 - 23:10
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I've been there, it's heartbreaking. Is your breeder standing by his/her guarantee?
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by isachev on 17 June 2011 - 02:10
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Yes, What was the guarantee? So sorry for the news. Been there, and if you planned on breeding it's a double whammy. My Tasha lived a great life and she had severe at 9 months. Breeder paid for 2 surgeries to remove femur on both sides. She lived to 12 and was one of the happiest GSD's I've ever  owned. Good Luck & Take Care 
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by Darla13 on 17 June 2011 - 06:11
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hopefully i didnt miss anyone in my response...

she was sedated.

she didnt really start showing that much until after the xrays were taken and the vet pointed out she was worried... i didnt know if i was being overly observant/worrying, or if she was indeed showing signs. but she has gotten worse over the apst month or so. she hops when she runs, and now is taking a little longer to get up... only slightly... but noticable.



this is her dam; http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=627620
and her sire; http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=627626


I have tried to contact the breeder i got her from when she was about 6 months old becasue i got the picture of her parents wet and i wanted another copy... but i never got an answer. every time i tried to get in contact i hit a wall.

I know there is another person who has a pup that is 6 months younger than my girl (yes, raised some flags for me too), who started showing signs of HD around 6mo.

there is one person i know owns my girls brother, but i havent gotten in contact with them about their male and if he has been tested yet.

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by TheSpoiledK9 on 17 June 2011 - 06:14
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sorry for the news   :(

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by Bhall on 17 June 2011 - 14:16
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I noticed the Dam is supposed to have OFA Excellent and the Sire OFA Good.  Neither one of these dogs are listed on the OFA site.
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by Bob McKown on 17 June 2011 - 14:30
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 In OFA you have the option to have the results listed or not.
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by Darla13 on 17 June 2011 - 19:47
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Wouldn't you want them listed... Especially if they were excellent? I know I would. I'm thinking I just got duped by a breeder who has now disappeared.
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by sueincc on 17 June 2011 - 22:25
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Nope Nope Nope

OFA publishes ALL PASSING hip & elbow results.  They won't publish abnormal results unless you initial the box on the app giving them permission to do so, but when it comes to E, G or F they publish them and by signing and submitting you give your permission to do so.  In fact they won't grade without your permission to publish any/all passing grades:

http://www.offa.org/pdf/hdappbw.pdf

"...I understand the OFA will release normal hip and/or elbow results for dogs over 24 months to the public, and by submitting this application I agree the OFA may do so. Abnormal hip and/or elbow results will not be released to the public unless the initials of a registered owner appear in the authorization box below. Normal hip results are defined as consensus evaluations of Excellent, Good, or Fair. Abnormal hip results are defined as consensus evaluations of Mild, Moderate, or Severe. For the purpose of determining whether or not the results will be released to the public, consensus hip evaluations of Borderline are considered abnormal. Normal elbow results are defined as a consensus evaluation of Normal. All other elbow consensus evaluations are considered abnormal."

Authorization to Release Abnormal Results

I hereby authorize the OFA to release the results of its radiographic evaluation of the animal described on this application to the public if the results are abnormal_______________ (initials of registered owner).

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by sueincc on 17 June 2011 - 22:32
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To the OP:  I'm sorry for your bad results. 

I see two dogs listed as the progeny of the dogs you listed, that are on this database.  One is called "Budha" a male, and the other is called "No Bad Experiences only Good Stories"

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=699401

Is this your bitch? 

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by Darla13 on 18 June 2011 - 02:13
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And please no one get it twisted, I love my little girl and will do everything to keep her comfortable! But I am very upset at how things worked out. She has allergies... She is allergic to everything from peas to cats, to grass, even flys. That has been thousands of dollars in vet fees, and is still recieving shots and meds for that. And now I find out that not only is she going to be struggling with the breakout allergy attacks, but she's gonna have trouble walking around. My poor girl. She is a small shepherd, maybe 40 inches at the Ps. This is my first pure bred German Shepherd...
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by Red Sable on 18 June 2011 - 09:11
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Has she also had a litter of pups?  Please tell me no.

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by Ibrahim on 18 June 2011 - 13:22
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RS,

If I understood right, the above links are of the mother and father of her dog. Her dog then is No Bad Experiences who has no offspring registered on PDB though her belly shape suggests she gave birth to puppies. Anyway from what I learned from the PDB guys with decent knowledge her parents data is not very encouraging to have a puppy from, her father was less than a year old when she was born, while this may be accepted by a private owner it is in no way accepted from a professional breeder, I beg your pardone OP for saying that, I might be wrong and I'm not very experienced, that is only a piece of info for learning purpose only, that is if it's correct.

Ibrahim
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by Bob McKown on 18 June 2011 - 14:01
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 Darla:

               I will catch flack for this but so be it. All the love in the world at this point from your description won,t increase her quality of life 1 iota. With the alergies and hip issues things will only get worse,yes you can medicate and prolong the existance but please try to step back for a moment and look at the situation here. Unless you are very well off at what point is medication going to be to financially a burden too expensive to deal with? I,m sure you love this dog it goes with out saying but if you truly love the dog you have to look past your own feelings and do what is in the best intrest of the dog in the long run.

Good luck and my thoughts are with you.



   
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by Red Sable on 18 June 2011 - 16:23
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Yes Ibrahim,  she certainly looks like she has whelped a litter.  If she has HD and has allergies, what in the heck is she being bred for???!!!
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