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by troublelinx on 13 June 2011 - 04:15 |
| At that price hell yes. After they tell me pthe price I visualize myself slapping them in the back of the head in front of a $230,000 dog. LOL |
troublelinx by Ace952 on 13 June 2011 - 04:19 |
| I think that for people to have this kind of money laying around to spend on a dog, they probably are smart since they had to make the money. The point is, they don't care about price. When you ae richor even wealthy (there is a difference between rich & wealthy) you don't care how much something costs. I certainly agree that I don't think a dog is worth that much but then again I don't think a dog is worth $10,000. I don't blame the seller as he is doing his job as a businessman...he is selling a product. As with any business school teaches you,find a market that you can maxamize your investment. I wont blame him for people who don't do their research. I think Apple gets over on people all the time with outdated iPhones and computers that cost way too much money but for some reason people still shell out a small fortune for them. I don't even try to understand it anymore. It is what it is.... |
Ace952 by Ace952 on 13 June 2011 - 04:21 |
| LOL@trouble!! If I could sell a dog for $230,000 I would and I would be posting on here from Bali right afer I bought my vacation home. |
by troublelinx on 13 June 2011 - 04:26 |
| There are a lot of smart people who dont know dogs |
by troublelinx on 13 June 2011 - 04:30 |
| Kim, You have no 1/4 million dollar dogs lounging aroud there. Are you sure, if you do im buying |
by Pirates Lair on 13 June 2011 - 04:55 |
| Troubleinx Sorry, but the Best we have right now is K9 Pirate Sly, and his price is to affordable. I'm sure the 1/4 million dogs video is much better than Sly's. Would someone please post a video of this dog. Kim |
Pirates Lair by Chaz Reinhold on 13 June 2011 - 04:55 |
| What's sad is that I could run that dog in seconds. I have a dvd too. It is a joke. Buy washed up showline SchH dogs and spend a few months cross-training to bark in a car, etc. You'd be better off going to someone like pirates Lair and spending 5% of that price for a better dog. |
Chaz Reinhold by Dog1 on 13 June 2011 - 11:20 |
| Where's the line drawn between good business and taking advantage? Is there even a line? Everyday products are manufactured, distributed and sold for a profit which includes the time and resources to purchase the product wholesale, store it, market it, deliver it. This is a natural business process. Here we have references to circumstances that may/may not be correct. A person sold dogs to Seal Team 6. He's selling dogs to the wealthy now. Is there an implication to the dogs ability? He may have sold dogs to the government. I know Seal Team 6 doesn't buy dogs. It's handled through a procurement process. Will a SchH3 dog actually protect this man in the circumstances he expects to be protected in or is he endangering himself and his family by relying on the information that has been given to him? This man purchased piece of mind for the safety of himself and family by purchasing a dog that was attributed to being able to perform a service and provide companionship. Did this man get what he was told he was buying? If a person uses their knowledge, talent, and resources to acquire a dog, ship a dog and market a dog. They are entitled to get some payback for their effort. If they use their expertise to misrepresnt a product are they being good businessmen or are they taking advantage of their customers by representing their product as the expert with their vast knowledge of their product to be relied upon in a way that may not be accurate of the sellers knowledge and the dogs ability? |
Dog1 by Pirates Lair on 13 June 2011 - 14:48 |
| Where's the line drawn between good business and taking advantage? The term "Unconscionable Transaction" comes to mind. JMO Dog1, if it is in the Newspaper or on the PDB it has to be the truth don't you know. Kim |
by Mystere on 13 June 2011 - 16:59 |
| Chaz, You probably would not have to do anything to run the dog. Does anyone else indulge in the "guilty plesure" known as 'Real Housewives of Beverly Hills"? One mega-millionairess'es rich plastic surgeon husband gave her one of these trained dogs for her birthday. Even on air, it was clear that it was a pretty showline, POS that was nervy as hell. They didn't keep it, because she was "too nervous" around the kids. (!!) Remember the two high-proced "security" gsds that Brad Pitt had? The ones who allowed some woman to "come on in" because she was armed with a box of Milkbones? These are people with more money than sense. These dogs are the cocaine of the 21st Century: "God's way of tellin you that you have too much money." ** **From a comedy routine of Eddie Murphy's in the 80's about cocaine and the people using it. |
Mystere by Ace952 on 13 June 2011 - 17:46 |
| Same Eddie Murphy that was getting transsexual hookers..... I think when we show examples we see examples of poorly trained dogs. I am sure there are examples of some well trained expensive dogs that get the job done but of course people don't care to hear those stories...they rather hear about the sh*tters that are sold. |
by Duderino on 13 June 2011 - 18:25 |
| Here's where I have a problem with stories like this, it's the misrepresentation of the product on the field (kinda like the Performance Test at the Sieger Show) that irks me . If there's one thing that drives me crazy about being in the dog world it's the arrogance of telling me that I don't know what I see. I personally have seen and spent several hours "being social" with a dog that was purchased from this business (that I won't name because I never, ever want to give them free promotion) for $50,000. I spoke with a representative from the organization and requested a copy of a training video before I even met the dog because I wanted to familiarize myself with his prior training. What I saw was a dog that I wouldn't pass from an 8 week beginner obedience class. I saw a video of basic obedience that, in my opinion was not BH ready. Hand signals done with the aid of a 6 ft leash with correction for both sit from a down and down from a sit. People, essentially this is a FRI exercise performed off lead (and collar for that matter) from 18 meters away. What I saw when I met the dog was a showline import with SV paperwork (tattoo matched) that was so round in the croup that I suggested taking it to the vet to have the spine and hips X-rayed. I saw a dog that was unfinished in basic obedience (with a SchH title) that dragged the owners down the street with a pinch collar to pee on every tree on a downtown street. I saw a dog that never once looked at the owners to acknowledge the fact that they were even in his presence. I saw 2 people that loved the dog so much that they didn't want to send it back for re-training much less replacement because of the condition of the dog when they received it. I saw 2 people who had very little preparation for living with an "executive protection" dog having received 1 weekend (3 days if memory serves me correct) of "training" from a woman who flew in Friday afternoon and flew out on Monday. I saw a dog that was afraid to jump into the back seat of a car. I saw a video where the dog was shown coming out of the front seat of a truck for a sleeve bite but was never shown actually going in. I saw a dog that was deliberately put in conflict by it's "trainer" before she left so "strangers cannot bond with the dog". What I saw was a dog that was probably sold to the States from Germany for anywhere from $3,000 to $4,000 and resold with very little additional training for more than 10 x's what was paid. Here's another part of my point to those of you who basically feel this is a case of caveat emptor, do you honestly think ethics like this help the dog world? When dogs are sold for outlandish amounts of money, supposedly for not only their bloodlines (in the case of the female, spayed shortly after arrival) but for their skillset and the skillset is flawed or misrepresented, it effects the overall view of all working dogs. These days defense attorneys in our legal system would like nothing more than to discredit LE K9's as expert witnesses. Case in point, the Casey Anderson murder trial, the defense attorney is going to great lengths to discredit the use of cadaver search dogs. When a working dog's performance is questioned and proven limited or even faulty, the reputation of all working dogs suffers. I'm not saying that a SchH trained dog cannot be a security animal because if trained outside the box during developmental stages it can be done. What I see in this case is a business that takes a short cut in training (purely for profit) by leaning on the reputation and mystique of Der Schutzhund in a country (pet home) that has no idea what a trained a |
by Duderino on 13 June 2011 - 18:30 |
| That last line should read, "what a trained dog can and should do". |
by Ace952 on 13 June 2011 - 18:52 |
| Duderino....I appreciate you sharing you 1st hand knowledge of such dogs. Great post. With the examples that you have pointed out, I would then say that yes, that company is being unethical to sell dogs like this knowing they aren't as advertised. Hell, lets be fair....... this happens with dogs being sold for $5,000! You can find enough threads on PDB about dogs being sold from well known breeders that weren't as advertised and not worth what the person paid for them. I don't think it would be AS MUCH as a issue IF the dogs were able to performed as advertised. If they were kick ass and all then sure, spend away. But if not then yes that is bad business practices. I can't say for sure that this $230,000 dog is great or not as I haven't seen it work. I don't think any dog is worth that much and I would never pay that price but to be fair to the buyer...I haven't seen the dog work either and will reserve judgement unless someone has some footage. I have no issue with someone selling a dog for $20,000, $30,000 $60,000, $100,00 or whatever AS LONG as the dog performs as advertised. I don't point ALL of the blame to the business owner. Yes he is guilty of selling something that isn't as advertised and is scum for doing so. More importantly though, people need to take more responsibility & accountability when they purchase something whether it is a car, house, electronics, investments and yes, even a dog. No one is forcing them to buy anything. People need to take some personal accountability and research and get all the knowledge they can and stop blaming someone else. "Don't run when you lose, don't whine when it hurts. It's like the first grade, Jerry...nobody likes a crybaby." ~ Gordon Gekko |
by Brandi on 13 June 2011 - 19:48 |
| These people are stupid to sell a dog for this amount of money and the people who purchase the dog for these amounts are even more stupid. Even if you are rich, there are just as good, if not better dogs out there that can achieve the same outcome. The more rich people who buy dogs for this amount, only make it more difficult for the people who aren't rich to purchase good quality dogs. Shame on ANYONE who tries to profit like this off an animal! |
Brandi by Oskar1 on 13 June 2011 - 22:34 |
| Howdy, you are in need for a 10 000$ dog that you could sell for 200 000$ ?? Call me, easy to get, cheaper by the dozent. It is what it is, money rules the world - The more you pay, the better it gets ?? Let me know what you need, I will sell to you, for prices you never ever dreamed of !! Ulli |
Oskar1 by Niesia on 14 June 2011 - 01:19 |
| In my opinion, the dog is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. Maybe the guy is suffering from a little w….. syndrome and bragging about how much money he spent on a dog makes him feel better about himself? The price tag sure got him a lot of publicity. Did anybody get the part that he also has to employ a part time trainer? I would think that for those $$$ the dog doesn’t need any more training…. Or maybe the trainer is for the owner? |
Niesia by mariaartashes on 15 June 2011 - 09:23 |
| Cool! I want video... What can to do this dog? Wow! |
by zeppo on 17 June 2011 - 14:00 |
| You don't have to pay this amount for a trained dog . This is totally taking avantage of people that don't know about the the dog salesmen out there . YOU can norally get a well trainied sch 1 dog in germany for $6,000 if you know how to look for them , Same kennel is reconized ok Q 13 news http:www.q13fox.com this is bad for the sport I believe . He has a boy petting the dog in the blind and the dog has a shock collar on I wasn't to impressed over the dog, C.S |
by hunger4justice on 17 June 2011 - 14:27 |
| What is really hillarious, or sad, is that I own a Leefdaalhof grandson that I was told by Flinks, could go as far as I could take him, and make no mistake he is a great, driven courageous, dog and, in fact all of my dogs have several WUSVchs and are wonderful. However, the best dog I ever had was a $750 working line dog. He was the most intelligent obedient, trustworthy dog that had more courage and heart than any dog I have ever seen. Nothing and no one could back him down and he was tested in a real life carjacking. He was the most amazing loyal stable dog ever. He died at 13 and if someone offered me 230,000 for him I would not even have to think about my answer which would be HELL NO. Got a little teary eyed over him writing this. |
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