German Shepherd Dog > Observations of the WUSV quali (21 replies)
Observations of the WUSV quali
by Hedi on 06 June 2011 - 11:37
|I had the opportunity to attend and observe a great group of dog handler teams at this very important event. With that said there are several observations I have made (all fact based). I would like to generate a list of some of those.|
*UScA responsible for this years qualification
*based on direct questioning of local public no knowledge of event. The change of time was not made common knowledge to the public. At the location there were no signs to indicate to the public that the decision was made to move the start time to 7pm (versus 10 am) or any other means to indicate this.
The website for the UScA was never updated to reflect these changes (even as of 6/6/11).
*Dieter Dust was one of the judges for the event, incorrect information remains on the website.
*Event tee shirt only displayed part of the organizations partaking in this event (the local host club, UScA was on the shirt. GSDCA-WDA was not represented on the event shirt)
*Two junior handlers participated in this years quali
This one bothers me the most, but this is another fact.
*There was no award ceremony, no trophies, no certificate, no podium.
This is my opinion. I am disappointed in that there were several comments that were made that this is supposed to be a "non event." I do not know what that means, but I know that some people have worked years to be at this level of competition and to brush this off is vain. I observed (during the event) a dummy dog whose handler rewarded with a toy and food on the field, wore an e-collar, and also bopped the dog on the head with the dumbbell....all on the competition field as the entered dog was on the long down.....during the trial. It is my opinion that such behavior not be tolerated on the trial field on the local let alone national level.
Who is sponsoring the team uniforms??
by CMassGSD on 06 June 2011 - 16:37
|I am the competitor who was on the long down during the "dummy dog". I want to THANK the handler who showed his dummy dog in that heat.We needed a dummy dog at the last minute because someone pulled at the stadium!! I want to THANK this same handler who VOLUNTEERED to be Tracking Coordinator for this event. I want to THANK this same handler who took his dog out and allowed BOTH helpers to tryout on his dog! He did NOT want to use his dog as a dummy dog but did so when NO ONE else stepped up! As for his using a toy.... so what! It is called Down during distraction! If my dog broke the long down, shame on me! He wasn't trained right and I deserve to lose the points! This was the first year for this event and many mistakes were made, but hopefully we all learned from them and next year will be better. It's easy to sit in the stands and bash away!! That person who showed his dummy dog stepped up big time! He should be thanked not bashed! Thanks Mike for all you did for every competitor!! |
by Kevin Nance on 06 June 2011 - 16:55
Thank you, sir for you reply. You are demonstrably a true competitor and sportsman.
by hunter k-9 on 06 June 2011 - 18:08
|I would also like to add that the "dummy dog" is being trained with the intentions of being a world level competitor. So why would the handler bring the dog out into a Stadium and let him make mistakes? This is why you saw the e-collar, ball, rewards and corrections. I also would like to thank Mike for all the hard work he put in.|
by Hedi on 06 June 2011 - 21:04
|He did do a lot of work with the tracking coordination. These are all things that the public does not know. No idea that the "dummy dog" was not planned to fill that role nor that the dog was not a finished dog. Also, had no idea that is who that was. Thank you for sharing such information helps to keep the public informed. |
by sumerfun on 06 June 2011 - 21:36
|Wearing and using e collar or prong is forbidden for me if Im showing, from when I arrive at the host hotel until I leave the trial grounds, yet every time I go to a trial I see this going on.Im not willing to take the chance of getting DQed from the trial, so since I follow the rules (which I dont support) Im at a dis advantage...I guess it all depends on who you are and who you know/ hang out with. And hitting the dog on the head with the dumbell at an event? Poor taste and sportsmenship, dummy dog or not.|
I do appreciate using your dog as the try out victim; thats a good way to ruin a good dog.
by CMassGSD on 06 June 2011 - 22:12
|Sumer: First off, I see you just joined the PDB so you are already suspect in my book. Second, you CAN use electric and prong in the stadium during practice! Third, he didn't hit the dog with the dumbbell. It's people like you........the BSP of Internet Training that get on line and bash!! If you have a problem, SIGN your name! I did! And I will say again, Mike has done more for people in this sport without any fan fare or recognition than anyone else I can think of. If in the future you see such injustices and problems, by all means, get off line and help out. Or as Jack Nicholson would say... I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of schutzhund training that Mike provides, and then questions the manner in which he provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a leash, and train a dog. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. |
Again!! Thanks Mike !!!
by Hedi on 06 June 2011 - 23:57
|Any other reactions or comments.....|
by SKI on 07 June 2011 - 00:55
|I posted on the other thread about the youth handlers being there and supporting each other and the majority (not all) of the competitors (both orgs) supporting and encouraging them. Kudos for most of the adults setting an example on how to act. |
As John H said, most people were jumping in and helping. Dummy dog was needed due to a last minute pull. Everyone had coolers with water for all people and dogs (no concessions there) and everyone was offering to everyone else. Competitors asked other/coaches to jump in and help warm up dogs, help with going on field.
Yes, competition, but nice to see. Most of the group know each other, watch each other and yes, support each other (while competing against each other)
by sumerfun on 07 June 2011 - 11:28
|I stand corrected, the rule on prong collars was changed by Mark Prablanski ( who was possibly one of the worst dog trainers and most arrogant judges and in the sport) and the board in 2008. I have only trialed once since 2008 and an currently showing my new dog. I have been in the sport since 1989 and dont remember seeing you back then, John. (Ive trained 2 puppys to Sch 3, one to sch 1 ( 2 and 3 to come), and have trained 4 to the "b" that didnt work out, and have helped 15+- people get to sch 3. I do train, not just complain). Generally speaking, Schutzhund people are some of the worst and most selfish people Ive ever hung around. If it were not for the awesome dogs and My love of training, I would have been out of this sport long ago. Oh, by the way, I heard you dog is awesome!|
by Bob McKown on 07 June 2011 - 11:54
I love the way people come on here and blast and mouth off about others how bad they were and how terrible ever thing is BUT when they do there stuff there always perfect and to the letter.
Summer: Blow it out your ass, don,t be such a puss, if your going to make such comments you better have balls enough to put your name to it. Your a coward.
Congrtas to all those that competed and donated there tme for this event, being the first time this event has happened i,m sure notes have been made and remembered.
by UglyK9 on 07 June 2011 - 12:35
|Sumer.....I assume you are referring to Mark Przybylski. Having your opinion against someone is one thing, not having the decency to know when to keep it to yourself because that person is no longer with us is another.......please do not sign your name. I do not want to know who you are because if I ever saw your name at an event you and I would have a conversation about respect.|
by judron55 on 07 June 2011 - 13:03
I secong what Ugly said in reference to Mark.....what a sh** comment Sumer
by steve1 on 07 June 2011 - 13:10
|You cannot start such a competition without a Dummy Dog so fair play to the Guy stepping up with his dog even though it was not ready for the task thats the way i read into it.|
Regards there being no ceremony after the event i guess everyone competing would know that before it started Plus there only intentions was to do well to get top scores with there dogs i doubt they were bothered about any accolades afterwards,
I met Mike D once at the worlds a very nice man to speak to and very passionate about the sport, Regards the Guy on here who says ScHh people are some of the worst and most selfish people he knows, well he says he is not training now could it be they found him to be the most selfish and worst person to know, Probably so
by nanu on 07 June 2011 - 13:27
|Sorry I missed this event. |
one has to appreciate anyone standing up to help out. Events are hard enough to put on and rely much on reliable volunteers. With that said, glad things went off well.
and, years back having two dog handlers with my dogs, I found Mark Przybylski to be helpful, teaching and a sportsman. He also didn't care for a soft dog. I liked him for that. After our day at Nationals in Boston ( a decade ago) he took the time to tell me every detail on my dog's scoring and why. It was impressive.
Congratulations to those who qualified and those who tried out. We need more competitors.
by sueincc on 07 June 2011 - 13:45
|Sumer welcome to the board.|
Generally people get out of something what they put into it. People in schutzhund are no different than people involved in any sport or activity. Many times they are better than average, as evidenced by the great sportsmanship displayed by many in the context of the juniors at this event, and sometimes they fall short and disappoint. Whatever, it's called life.
You said "you train you don't complain". Are you joking? You have made exactly two posts on this board and that's all you've done is complain!!!!! Do you see where this is going?
Also you said: "try out victim a good way to ruin your dog". WTF are you talking about? The dummy dog does the OB pattern, that's it. As a matter of fact, being the dummy dog is an excellent way to get the dog on the trial field and still be able to correct the dog if necessary. The only way to ruin the dog is if the handler is a dummy, dummy dog or not.
by Mystere on 07 June 2011 - 18:37
|I hope that the gripers soon are involved in hosting an event. Actually working one's ass of to pull of one of these events might make you appreciate more what is done, and how.|
Sumerfun( I assume the misspelling is intentional): You set out a list of accomplishments, yet studiously remain anonymous. It that because it is a "Helserian" list? One must presume so, by dint of the anonymity.
by Hedi on 07 June 2011 - 22:02
|So that we can move forward with the sport. I would gladly love to help with the organization of the event for next year. I have identified some items that could be improved on and here are some solutions. Perhaps next year it would be advisable to have:|
*More information available to the public (in terms of the event and changes)-I know lots of people were unsure about a lot of various things before the actual event (on the public side).
*website with updated information concerning recent scores and such
*event apparel that represents all involved organizations
*2-3 dummy dogs available on site (preplanned)-not sure if it was planned to have some this year or not, it does not appear that it was planned for.
*some sort of award ceremony or something to at least to indicate achieving such a pivotal level of achievement in the sport-which would include the need for sponsors and such
This is our sport and we need to move forward and get over slamming others. It is hard enough to get new members/helpers as it is. It should be about getting better and improving in all aspects. It is us that represents the sport that we love so much and we are the representatives of it, each of us.
Any other suggestions to make the event even more of a success? If my suggestions are not appropriate suggest that as well. I ask again, who is sponsoring the team uniforms? I look forward to a constructive dialogue.
by Mystere on 08 June 2011 - 00:03
|The Agreement between USCA and WDA regarding the joint Selection trial specifically states : "There will not be any "title"...given or referenced to the winner, or any trophies awarded. This trial is simply a qualification trial to earn a spot on the team." (Emphasis added)|
Ergo, no trophies, no awards ceremony, etc. by design and agreement of the parties.
by Hedi on 08 June 2011 - 00:15
|Ahh....I see. Too bad, bummer on that one.|