German Shepherd Dog > HELP need a little help from more experienced german shepherd owners (20 replies)
HELP need a little help from more experienced german shepherd owners
by zepellin88 on 03 June 2011 - 09:36
|Hi, I have owned german shepherds my entire life but I will be getting my first 100% german working german shepherd pup this weekend! I thought I knew a lot about the breed but it seems the more and more I research the more stuff I just keep learning so i thought maybe someone with a little more experience could help me out and make sure Im making the right decision seeing as the pup is extremely expensive, I plan to do Schtuzund with him and I want to train him in personal protection, to see both of the parents pedigrees they are both on this website the dams name is Cedar vom Annacarton the sires name is Basco von der Teufelskehle, I have researched the the pedigrees extensively and they seem to be solid and they are from pure working lines, you can also see the pup I will be getting doing some bitework on youtube you type in the search bar maryzakomic and it is the video on the very bottom of the page! I look forward to hearing your replys!|
by laura271 on 03 June 2011 - 10:08
|Is this the video?|
by zepellin88 on 03 June 2011 - 10:29
|Yes that is the video|
by YogieBear on 03 June 2011 - 13:05
Here is the breeding:
by Fenrir on 03 June 2011 - 13:43
|Lines are good, puppy looks great and good looking too. I am like you and just started in the sport with my bitch and it is good that you put some time into looking at pedigrees etc. The better the lines and starting puppy the more messing up us newer guys can get away with lol. Keep in mind this sport requires many, many hours of your personal time and if you are married or in a serious relationship my advise would be to be sure your partner knows that you are talking about 5-6 hours a day 2-3 days a week.|
Honestly I bring that up because many people do not realize that and Schutzhund has a way to put a strain on some relationships lol. My wife rocks the living Sh@# out of life and just comes with me so I kinda lucked out. Also it is a pretty expensive hobby, though it is cool as hell to show videos of your pup and later dog to your coworkers and friends and to help educate people about the misconceptions of our breed and sport. I would state a side note as well that if you are going to have him in the house that you can easily, easily break the dog if you put the dog in situations where of no fault of his own you yell or punish him for things like chewing the crap out of your kids toys or knocking down your expensive vase or (and trust me on this one -.-) chewing up your PS3 controllers. The crate is your friend and in my house at least the rule is (and it applies to me and my stuff too) if you leave it out expect it to be destroyed and do not blame or correct the puppy. Have fun lots of fun, bond and play and don't overwork the dog he is a puppy let him be a puppy and forgive his many holes in your yard, accidents and mauled shoes. Congratulations and welcome to the world of the real German Shepherd dog ^^d
by zepellin88 on 03 June 2011 - 13:50
|Ya i have read up on that, just dont let them get into anything their not suppose to because yelling and punishing them breaks their spirit, @yogibear, i have some tests i want to run on him but Im not sure exactly what to look for when you listed all of those tests what would you look for in a dog that you wanted for schuthund and pp? Sorry to ask so many questions I am just being cautious here, thanks for all yalls time and effort in answering my newbie questions!|
by Kaffirdog on 03 June 2011 - 14:28
|Suggest you take someone with you who is knowledgeable about Schutzhund to help you interpret what you see and advise if you can use it. Not everything a puppy does is as it seems, sometimes it helps to know exactly why it is doing that.|
by zepellin88 on 03 June 2011 - 14:33
|The breeder is active in schutzhund with the dam.|
by dogggss on 03 June 2011 - 14:50
|try asking the breeder on tips|
by YogieBear on 03 June 2011 - 15:24
|Just PM'd you.|
by Bhaugh on 03 June 2011 - 16:36
|Some great replys. I do agree that if puppy chews your things up, its your fault. And if you cant watch him to confine him. But I don't agree that correcting bad behavior in the house will break the spirit. Maybe I misinterpreted what was said. If a working dog's spirit is broken by corrections, then I would question the breeding. Most times corrections can be made easily but sometimes they cant.|
Maybe it's just me. I want a dog that is confident AND knows where to draw the line. Even a puppy.
If you have doubts about this puppy, take someone with you who knows what to look for. But as Yogibear said puppies are a crap shoot. You may do everything right and the dog wont have the drive to compete. Or wont want to. Life is fun to puppy. It's your job to keep it that way.
by Fenrir on 03 June 2011 - 17:41
|Oh I completely agree, the puppy must know it's boundries and what is ok and what is not. However I believe good redirection and correction with much love and praise following are key and essential. I think too many people newer to these types of dogs go the petsmart way and introduce the word no with negative correction way too early and way too often. Ultimately the best way to learn the correct way to redirect and correct the puppy is to have your local club and more experienced trainers tackle the situation. Some dogs are more emotional than others and some more hard and stubborn each dog needs to be diciplined in their own way and this is why a strong and good club is essential.|
by YogieBear on 03 June 2011 - 18:51
I do think a responsible breeder can pretty much tell which puppy has the best traits for a persons needs. That is if the breeder cares. I personally want to pick my own puppy out, however, I would take what the breeder has to say in to account. Afterall, they spend alot of time with the litter. (At least I do). They get to know and see each puppy on a day to day, hour by hour basis. Just one visit to see the pups really isn't going to necessarily be a good time frame to access the puppies in a proper manner.
by Fenrir on 03 June 2011 - 19:01
|"your remote wouldn't have been eaten if you had been watching your puppy. Set your puppy up for success not failure.|
Rule of thumbs - - you get what you put into your puppy. Train wisely".
Fantastically put, perfect!
by muttlover25 on 03 June 2011 - 19:01
|Love him! I like all the neat stuff the breeder has around for the pups to play in and on, great!|
by zepellin88 on 03 June 2011 - 19:05
|Well like I said I have done TONS and TONS of research on both pedigrees and so far the breeder has been nothing but helpful to me so I trust her at the moment, when we go to meet the pup i have a couple of tests I do want to run on him, unfortunately my trainer that I have used before had to go on emergency leave back to the states, so i dont really have him to go with me, but i appreciate all the help from the replys so far!|
by Fenrir on 03 June 2011 - 20:07
|The pedigree is great, in fact your puppy and mine are both Grandchildren of the great Paska vom Salztalblick which is something I always like to see so I can see how alike the puppies look HAH! Doing the research puts you in a much better place than so many people who are just starting and though it does not gaurentee anything it surely puts you at an advantage. I am very excited for you!|
by leiasmum on 14 July 2011 - 07:59
|really interesting reading. thankyou, helped me also.|
by Siantha on 14 July 2011 - 15:11
|to yogie i agree that i like to select my puppys aswell as have the breeders imput i know with my last litter before the people had selected their puppys i knew where every pupppy was going and that each pup felt like a good fit with each family.|
and research will be your friend in learning about your new puppy and getting to have a good relationship Key Fact. if noone is going to be home or noone will be home who will look after the pup crate it. it becomes the pups house and safe zone but also your house stays in one peice and at night mine are crated untill atleast 2 years or if im not going to work them any more they wont be crated at night aslong as they are housebroken but by 2 they are for me. it just takes time and be sure to get a good bond spend time with the pup just you and the pup sit there and brush em hand feed just spend all the time you can.
by troublelinx on 15 July 2011 - 00:19
|I am making the following suggestion simply because I love the breed.|
Make sure that you get good trainers. Their are trainers that will f your dog up in one session. Because you are so green you must be particulary careful. The crooks will see you comming a mile away, and because you will not know how to evaluate the trainer you will need to go off the suggestion of someone that you know/trust possibly the breeder.