German Shepherd Dog > Puppy has large overbite (13 replies)
Puppy has large overbite
by Chica Platense on 02 June 2011 - 20:23
|Help everyone, I bought a beautiful German Shepherd puppy that I fell in love with. However I was a bit inexperienced and did not check his bite. About a month ago I noticed that he had a large overbite and became concerned. He is now almost 4 months and has a large overbite of 10mm (a bit less than 1/2 and inch. Has anyone experienced this before and is there any hope for my pup? I really don't want to give him back as I am really attached and he is a wonderful dog but I was hoping to breed him. Is there any hope that his bite will get better as he grows older? Just to give you a bit of background he is very large and big boned, I don't know if this has anything to do with it but I read somewhere that big boned dogs sometimes have overbites. I would appreciate some good advice.|
by GSDNewbie on 02 June 2011 - 20:50
|I personally do not think it will improve with the large of a difference. I personally would eliminate it from breeding but that is just me and I am not sure that you could get a conformation rating with such an overbite. I do not know if it is genetic but I still would not breed this dog IMO. You need to decide and talk to your breeder if this dog is not to be bred and you wanted one that is breedable what you can work out with your breeder as many off options. A good breeder would want this pup forever cared for as a pet and would not be able to easily resell/rehome so perhaps if you choose not to breed but love the dog breeder can offer money back discount sell as pet ot you spay/neuter and keep the dog as pet abd breeder replace. You just really need to speak with the breeder and go over both your situations and communicate.|
by jc.carroll on 03 June 2011 - 00:23
|I had a young male with an overbite of aproximately 1/4" at that age. The vet wanted to remove teeth, insisting the overbite wouldn't correct itself. I opted to leave it alone. Looking at him now, you wouldn't be able to tell. His bite is fine now. Is it possible for you to post pics of his bite?|
by Chica Platense on 03 June 2011 - 00:41
Hi and thank you for the replies. I am trying to figure out how to attach a picture on this. I don't have a website yet. Does anyone know how to attach pictures?
by GSDNewbie on 03 June 2011 - 00:46
|upload the picture to the internet either on a gallery here or a photo storage like Photo bucket|
by Chica Platense on 04 June 2011 - 17:36
I hope I am posting this picture the right way. Here is my puppy's overbite. He is almost 4 months now.
by dmsharkey on 04 June 2011 - 17:45
|Not sure what you are hoping for in posting this here? You have already been given some advise on another board. It has been two weeks since your last post there.|
by Chica Platense on 04 June 2011 - 17:49
|I don't know how to make the pictures show on the forum but you can click on the link. I measured his bite and it is about 10mm. The breeder insists that overbite is not an issue?? He also says that the puppy is show quality and his father just went into a show competition (his father is Beo Vom Fleischerheim and his maternal grandfather is Maik Vom Anger. Is there a way that he could have faked the AKC papers? How does the AKC know that my puppy really is the son of Beo. Do they do a DNA test? Sorry but I am really new to this. Giving my puppy back is not an option as I love him to pieces but I am worried about his bottom teeth puncturing his palate and I am a bit disappointed because I was hopping to take a breeding course and learn about the bussiness further but I might not be able to breed him if this is a heritable defect that will cause health problems in the puppies such as poor eating. So far my dog seems to eat ok and to be happy but I worry about how his bite will develop.|
by Chica Platense on 04 June 2011 - 17:53
|Sorry dmsharkey but you must be confused, this is the first time that I have ever posted anything on this website. I am very new to the website. Did someone else posted a thread like this on the forum? If so it was not me. I am beggining to wonder if overbite is a common problem. It sounds like it bothers you that I am asking for advice, but I thought this is was ne of the purposes of the forum. You don't have to answer my question if it bothers you that I posted this. I didn't mean to upset anyone.|
by GSDNewbie on 04 June 2011 - 19:56
|What has the vet said? Is the owner willing to stand by their belief that it will grow right by promising a guarantee on it by letting you keep the pup and offering another upon spay nueter instead of replacing the pup right now since the breeder is promising show quality? Or perhaps a discount if it does not grow in scissor bite as they are appearantly promising?|
AKC papers are only as honest as the breeder. Overbite can occur even in well bred well represented animals. This over bite does NOT mean your breeder has lied to you or defrauded you on the pups breeding.
by Chica Platense on 04 June 2011 - 21:11
|Thank you for the reply GSDNewbie. The vet has said that he may have problems or he may overgrow it. He said that we wouldn't know that until he is about 12 months. I guess I am just anxious to know what will happen. The breeder has told me that he will respond to whatever problems my puppy may have but on the other side he said that there is nothing wrong with an overbite and this does not disqualify a dog for a show which is the opposite of all I have read in GSD literature. He either is not very experienced or may be this is typical of this line and the dogs just outgrow it. He had never heard or checked for any such thing as an overbite in his puppies and in fact he thought I was talking about the bite work rather than the jaw alignment. He had no clue about overbite problems. According to him none of the dogs in my puppy's line have been disqualified due to bite problems. Either my puppy is the first to have a bite problem or they outgrow it. I hope it is the second.|
by Kalibeck on 06 June 2011 - 01:27
| Overshot/undershot jaw is pretty common, means the dog is not breedworthy or show quality, & it can crop up in the very best bloodlines. The breed standard states the dog must have a scissors bite, overshot by the width of a match-stick is acceptable.|
That being said, lower jaws do grow slowly, & it is not unusual for a pup to have a small overbite as he developes, that he outgrows. Large overbites are usually not outgrown, although there is always someone with a story about a big overbite that righted itself, so I suppose it happens once in a while. Most times the teeth correct themselves through wear so that the dog can eat without damaging itself, although dental surgery is always a possibilty in the future. Do yourself, & your pup a favor; & don't rush into corrective surgery until the pup is much older, like around a year.
My GSD that was overshot, did not outgrow it, but the teeth corrected themselves by wearing down very quickly. There were never any issues with eating, but I am vigilent that the lower canines that wore down do not develope caries or other problems.
So, enjoy your puppy, keep an eye on his eating & teething, & accept that he is your companion, rather than breeding stock. Any dog would choose to be your companion rather than be breeding stock!
As far as the breeders responcibility to you, I would give a partial refund to someone that bought a 'show quality' pup that developed an issue that would prevent the dog from being shown, but that's just me, the few puppies I've had were all 'pet quality' pups....(we only had 1 litter before I was convinced that breeding puppies was not for me....it costs a fortune to do right by your dogs, & the possibility of tragedy is just too real.....plus I still worry about every single pup....if you really love your dogs as I do, breeding them is NOT the way to go!!!) I only hoped that they would have forever homes where they were well loved. (And they do!) What your breeder does totally depends on your contract.
Good luck, & don't love your puppy any less, he doesn't know he's not perfect! jackie harris
by trixx on 06 June 2011 - 19:05
ok , this is my experience with a pup with an over bite....
by Chica Platense on 06 June 2011 - 20:10
|Thank you for your replies. I guess the only way to find out is to wait either way. I do hope that his bite will improve but either way I love him a lot. I appreciate your comments and I will be posting on this same thread and let youall know how his bite turns out in the end. Thank you!!!|