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Civil Dogs by Paul Garrison on 29 May 2011 - 05:32 |
| Where are all of the civil GSD? It seems all sport and family dog. I am looking for a old style hard civil dog that really is a protection dog. |
by Vikram on 29 May 2011 - 05:59 |
you haven;t looked hard enough. There are plenty around |
by Pirates Lair on 29 May 2011 - 07:13 |
| Paul Your question is vague, are your referring to an untrained "natural protection dog" or a trained protection dog that is capable of civil work? I have posted this video before, have a look at it and let us know if this is what you are referring to.http://www.youtube.com/canczechdogs#p/u/18/LGTxEOBWsnU thank you Kim |
Pirates Lair by Ibrahim on 29 May 2011 - 12:00 |
| Who wants to be in the shoes of that man !! I bet he found himself a decent job and quit the dangerous business he used to do especially as the good dogs are more in numbers and well trained, lol. Very nice clip and a precious dog. Ibrahim |
by von Harasymtzuk on 29 May 2011 - 12:23 |
| As Vikram said they are out there. Everyone has their ideal dog, every dog is different, combining bloodlines can be a gamble and r aising them too if you don't know what you are doing.... I love schutzhund it is a well disciplined and complex sport but I still like real protection dogs, my ideal dog is one that is friendly and civil. They are out there. My personal bitch that I bought as a young pup had no drive up until a year old, she grew into a fantastic bitch, so smart, will pick up any item off of the floor that I ask her and she will either put it in the trash, on the table, in a drawer or in my hand, she loves kids, super friendly but she will bite without the sleeve and she produces it, so she is a service dog, family pet and personal protection. She is going to have puppies soon I am so excited/nervous I don't know what to do with myself! I bred her to a Branko Salztalblick son, I am hoping to find the perfect puppy out of her, one that will surpass her mother, if possible. (I'm sure all dog lovers have had that one dog that changes you forever and is simply irreplaceable.) Research lines if you haven't already, study other dogs, look into PSA, etc. Sorry I know my post wasn't much help, I have been up all night. |
von Harasymtzuk by troublelinx on 29 May 2011 - 12:24 |
| I understand the sporty type dogs, but why would a hard civil GSD not be a family dog. Are you looking for a one man type of dog, that doesnt like kids who are in his pack? |
troublelinx by von Harasymtzuk on 29 May 2011 - 12:46 |
| Trouble...good questions. Some think that if the dog is friendly (s)he is incapable of being a protection dog. In my opinion a dog that feels comfortable around strangers and children has good confidence and not easily threatened...a dog like that and with the right protection training in prey, defense, fight drive has the potential to be a good protection dog. I have heard people tell me that their dog is mean, and would bite (truth is they'd probably crack under pressure) and the dog is unapproachable. What is your opinion on this? Would you want a personal protection dog to be approachable or just hates everyone? My vote is for the confident dog that doesn't want to attack everyone, to me that is an unreliable dog. I trust Alexa with my life, and with my nephews life. But I did make a mistake with her, I socialized her too much, lol...she wants to say hello then work but I have done some simulations and she passed. |
by myret on 29 May 2011 - 13:38 |
| I like both the cicvil and the sport dogs but if I have to pick one out I think it is easier to find a cicvil dog than an intense prey dog I myself like to have an intense prey line of dogs that still can protect if neccecery I think it is rare to find a really intense prey dog that has a whole lot of prey and hunt drives |
myret by GSDPACK on 29 May 2011 - 15:49 |
| They are out ther..dont make for high scoring dog in sport. |
GSDPACK by destiny4u on 29 May 2011 - 17:26 |
| most civil gsds are still out there doing sport to become civil the dog needs to be turned on that way if the dog is not pushed into being civil u wont see that side of it depending on the dogs thresholds i am sure there are dogs out there that will bite and attack anyone on site i would never want a dog like that though civil dogs should have some prey drive also for training and fun and strength yes? a lot of wusv dogs are civil when they want to be so i am sure many civil dogs can be great sport dogs also just depends on the individual |
by ALPHAPUP on 29 May 2011 - 19:43 |
| if i were looking for a GSD -- the first thing is to identify what you want the dog for ... you stated proection .. but in my mind .. what KIND of protection ?? not all protectrion is alike !! e.g do you want a dog that is military , ersonbal protection . protection / [perimeter for business , protection to be watchful and engagein order to protect children , ? house?. a sport / dual purpose sport protection ? i think thge word civil is extraoridanily to general . IMO , myu explanation : i look for and talk about the inheritred genetic attributes both the dam and sire lines bring !! for example .. many police officers talk about civil work and one thread here alluded to work on prey vs defense.-- tjhose are just the motivations .. IMO i want to know the behavioral traits passed on . Such as .. arethe parents on a scale of q |
by ALPHAPUP on 29 May 2011 - 19:43 |
| if i were looking for a GSD -- the first thing is to identify what you want the dog for ... you stated proection .. but in my mind .. what KIND of protection ?? not all protectrion is alike !! e.g do you want a dog that is military , ersonbal protection . protection / [perimeter for business , protection to be watchful and engagein order to protect children , ? house?. a sport / dual purpose sport protection ? i think thge word civil is extraoridanily to general . IMO , myu explanation : i look for and talk about the inheritred genetic attributes both the dam and sire lines bring !! for example .. many police officers talk about civil work and one thread here alluded to work on prey vs defense.-- tjhose are just the motivations .. IMO i want to know the behavioral traits passed on . Such as .. arethe parents on a scale of q |
by ALPHAPUP on 29 May 2011 - 19:43 |
| if i were looking for a GSD -- the first thing is to identify what you want the dog for ... you stated proection .. but in my mind .. what KIND of protection ?? not all protectrion is alike !! e.g do you want a dog that is military , ersonbal protection . protection / [perimeter for business , protection to be watchful and engagein order to protect children , ? house?. a sport / dual purpose sport protection ? i think thge word civil is extraoridanily to general . IMO , myu explanation : i look for and talk about the inheritred genetic attributes both the dam and sire lines bring !! for example .. many police officers talk about civil work and one thread here alluded to work on prey vs defense.-- tjhose are just the motivations .. IMO i want to know the behavioral traits passed on . Such as .. arethe parents on a scale of q |
by ALPHAPUP on 29 May 2011 - 19:43 |
| if i were looking for a GSD -- the first thing is to identify what you want the dog for ... you stated proection .. but in my mind .. what KIND of protection ?? not all protectrion is alike !! e.g do you want a dog that is military , ersonbal protection . protection / [perimeter for business , protection to be watchful and engagein order to protect children , ? house?. a sport / dual purpose sport protection ? i think thge word civil is extraoridanily to general . IMO , myu explanation : i look for and talk about the inheritred genetic attributes both the dam and sire lines bring !! for example .. many police officers talk about civil work and one thread here alluded to work on prey vs defense.-- tjhose are just the motivations .. IMO i want to know the behavioral traits passed on . Such as .. arethe parents on a scale of q |
by myret on 29 May 2011 - 19:49 |
| how about tose Tiekerhook dogs think many of them has that civil or social aggresion as many call it |
by GSDPACK on 29 May 2011 - 20:35 |
"most civil gsds are still out there doing sport to become civil the dog needs to be turned on that way if the dog is not pushed into being civil u wont see that side of it depending on the dogs thresholds" |
by Paul Garrison on 29 May 2011 - 22:07 |
| I have owned many dogs in my life and in a personal dog I like a "civil" dog I owned 2 in my life that I really liked. 1 was a Greif vom Herkulesblick son he was hard, agressive, serious (civil). Not a dog for the masses but he was what I like. Mink was another one that produced civil dogs as well. I want a dog that brings on the fight not a dog that is stimulated to fight. They do not make good sport dogs and you do not take them to the mall, but you still have your things in your truck or house when you get back. Some want to call them junk yard dogs or man eaters (whatever), but it trained correctly they can be a great animal in the end. No fear biters,sharp or brainless dogs just good old line West German working lines like Greif or Mink. I know there are some out there I have not found them, but am interested. I so not mind handler hard eather. |
by Ace952 on 29 May 2011 - 23:38 |
| Paul.....you said, "no fear biters, sharp or brainless dogs....." what is your definition of sharp? What is the point of a civil PP dog if you can't take him places with you? To me what you are describing is a junk yard dog. Just to clarify you mean handler hard not to be confused with handler aggressive as that is a separate thing. Do you feel these are only really found in the West german lines? |
Ace952 by destiny4u on 29 May 2011 - 23:46 |
| gsd for the kinds of dog ur talking about what would make them become civil to another person? i was told by joseff at eurosport my dog had extreme civil drive but shes a happy friendly dog unless someone comes near her fence or near my house that she doesnt know or if someone runs at her or eye stares her all hell breaks loose but shes still only 16 months but in public in crowds around stranges in pet stores shes calm and good with strangers petting her and friendly most of the time has like this dr jeckel mrs hide persona lol a happy dog that can turn serious in a second but paul wants a dog that will hate strangers anywhere like a junkyard civl dog something that will take out anyone anywhere for whatever reason liability ? |
by troublelinx on 30 May 2011 - 00:10 |
| I once had a dog exactly like Paul is describing. He would not attack for no reason, however the reasons in his mind that he would attack for seemed to be minute. There would not be any vocal warnings either. No frear, just a solid and full bite. It had to be a reason in the dogs mind worthy of biting, and he was not hugely tertoritially agressive. Ance agitated there would be no beating him off of you unless you knocked him out with a brick to the head or shot him dead (which wouldnt be a bad thing). This dog honestly scared the S##t out of me, being that i was very new to working dogs at the time. Now I would love to have this type of dog but would not know where to start looking. |
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