German Shepherd Dog > Brindle Gsd! Did Not Think This Was Possible! (114 replies)
by AmbiiGSD on 01 June 2011 - 09:29
|I just wanna Barf....|
by eichenluft on 01 June 2011 - 11:25
|The very pretty brindle dogs this breeder posted on this thread are the spittin' images of Dutch Shepherds. Fancy that.|
by Dawulf on 01 June 2011 - 11:49
|A Merle GSD? Whaaaaat?|
That is a picture (and DNA test) I'd like to see...
by trac123 on 01 June 2011 - 14:25
I bred a litter late 60's which had black saddle and brindle markings (in the UK). I telephoned Dr Willis to check if the colour was still acceptable in the breed and he answered positively. All were sold as pet/companions, but not for breeding. Margaret
by NO FEAR on 01 June 2011 - 15:33
Brindle was an acceptable colour but the anybody that knows anything about simple genetics knows that brindles have long since gone . What exactly did Dr Willis say ? He ansewered positively to a question that simply was asking " is the colour accaptable "? This does not tell us anything. Brindle colour has gone & anyone saying different hasnt a clue
by crhuerta on 01 June 2011 - 16:03
|AKC DNA is a joke....they have no real database.|
Anyone can have their "AKC Reg" dog, DNA'd with AKC....
The fact that there is a prominent dog in the "brindle's" pedigree that CANNOT be DNA verified (being from Germany?)...is cause for hesitation or alarm to say the least.
ALL GSD dogs from Germany must have DNA recorded with the SV.
*Why not have the SV send you the necessary paperwork for DNA profiling...and you have the DNA tested with the SV database in Germany?*...test the "direct descendant" of the German bred dog.?!*
I know that if they were my dogs, and I wanted to profess "pure breeding"...I would do whatever needed to substantiate my claim.
by crhuerta on 01 June 2011 - 16:17
|I wanted to add....|
If there is even the slightest bit of concern of "genetics" generations back.(.ie...4-6...)having the possibility of mixture of a Dutch Shepherd or anything else.....insisting that they are "pure bred brindle GSD" is being dishonest, and less then ethical.
Personally....I would love to see a pure bred brindle GSD...
*MO is not intended for breeder bashing....it's just simply an honest opinion.*
by AmbiiGSD on 01 June 2011 - 16:29
|It's the piebalds that are making me feel ill... even got the classic ACD rump spot... love it... NOT!! *shudder*|
edited to add, cos I've just noticed... and a wonderful 'Bentley'
by von Harasymtzuk on 01 June 2011 - 16:39
|Man those are some ugly dogs, it should be illegal to breed out of German standard....it's one thing to have not the greatest pigment or a white spot but that is just going too far, I'm sure they have temperament issues as well, people like this "breeder" are one of the reasons German Shepherds hae bad names...like one person said they look like oops litters done on purpose, disgusting and they should be shut down/|
by vonissk on 01 June 2011 - 16:44
|Crhuerta, absdolutely and good post. I said basically the same thing about the German dog and DNA only you put it a lot better than me. Notice when she was loudmouthing me still no pedigree on where this brindle mysteriously popped up. And I agree that if it were my dogs I would be doing everything known to man to make sure the lines were strong. JMO it's just all bullshit........|
by Dawulf on 02 June 2011 - 01:45
by crhuerta on 02 June 2011 - 02:22
|Considering that the GSD (like all breeds) was created by a mixture of several different breeds, with misc coat colors and textures/lengths....it is not surprising to see old photos of the "beginning stages" of the GSD creation.|
Dogs of misc colors, misc body types etc....
Again...this was the "beginning stages" of the GSD creation...where the mixtures of specific breeds were still in the first several generations.
BUT....over 100 yrs have come and gone of pure bred breeding's.....the "chance" of those "beginning traits" have long since been buried.....of course, unless....a "mixture" is introduced again, with the same characteristics. (ie..Dutchie or another same type breed)
This is why I believe...only by true genetic DNA profiling...can the possibility be proven factual.
by Rik on 02 June 2011 - 03:26
as they say here in the mountains "I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night"
by eichenluft on 02 June 2011 - 04:05
|Neat picture. Looks like a smooth collie dog to me. Collies come in merle....|
by Kaffirdog on 02 June 2011 - 08:22
|I doubt there were Scottish Collies herding sheep in pre-war Germany.|
by Bob McKown on 02 June 2011 - 11:24
|I knew a old farmer named Merle. But that doesn,t make him a German Shepherd.|
by eichenluft on 02 June 2011 - 11:44
|doesn't mean the merle dog is a GSD either. Collie or not, it could have been a "farm dog" which many shepherds used. Just a mutt....not a GSD. Looks more like collie in type than GSD to me.|
by Dawulf on 02 June 2011 - 11:53
|The site it popped up on said it was a dog used in the creation of German Shepherds. I just Googled "MErle German Shepherd" and that popped up... thought I'd post it.|
I was thinking what Eichenluft said - the dog reminds me of a smooth collie. Except for those ears. But saying "oh it has big pointy ears so it must be a german shepherd" is like saying "that dogs black, it must be a lab mix". But then again, I don't know much about Smooth Collies, any collies for that matter, so I can't say what they looked like back then.
It's very possible that dogs of Merle coloring were used in creating the GSD, like Brindles were. But that doesn't mean they are magically going to pop up after YEARS of being gone.
by ggturner on 02 June 2011 - 12:18
|Haven't visited this thread in awhile. I started it because I was surprised over a brindle gsd. Did not intend for anyone to get "bashed".|
by eichenluft on 02 June 2011 - 12:19
|actually the ears are "collie-like" too - tulip-shaped. Many collie ears, even today, stand erect when not "helped" with glue. And when they do stand erect, they look much like these ears. Not like GSD.|