German Shepherd Dog > Sold a German Shepherd and got a Mal (73 replies)
Sold a German Shepherd and got a Mal
by Dhaines on 24 May 2011 - 10:16
My husband bought me what was advertised on the breeders site and then confirmed when I put the deposit down, to be a AKC registered German Shepherd puppy before he left for Afghanistan. My goal was to train her as a therapy dog. We want to give something back to those brave men and women coming home injured. I contacted a breeder in my state (No, I won't give the name) and put a deposit down on the dog. When I picked up the dog the breeder (an officer of the law) told me that the puppies father was his K-9 service dog and was currently with another handler, so I couldn't see it. He told me all about the dog and what an amazing dog it was.
by beetree on 24 May 2011 - 12:07
|I won't say any of those hateful things. I am once again amazed by the dishonesty of some dog breeders, is all. |
I do agree in principle that in the least you paid for a purebred dog, and paid the price for a purebred dog, as the seller claims he thought so too, early on. Since the agreement was for a purebred dog, and you do not want to return the dog, a discount should be forthcoming. That would seem fair to me. However, getting a "snake oil salesman" to be fair is always the tricky part and like your generous husband realized, it might just make sense to let it go.
I am sure you will do things differently the next time.
by realmccoy on 24 May 2011 - 15:39
I think the breeder/officer of the law definately took advantage of you. He should be ashamed of himself especially if this was to be used as a therapy dog, obviously to be helping people.
by Dhaines on 24 May 2011 - 15:57
|They will never get her back she is my love, but I agree with breetree. If the breeder was honest and wanted to "make it right" he would have offered a partial refund. I considered hiring a lawyer to get a partial refund, but that would cost money as well. I just hope that he feels guilty about the whole mess and that would be enough for me, however I don't think that is the case. Mine was not the only dog in that litter, so I imagine that there are a many people (if they know) a little upset. I considered contacting the AKC, but my breeder said that they won't do anything. It bothered me that he tried to register dogs that he knew were not pure GS line, that is if he was even telling me the truth. I just hope that with persistence and training I can certify her as a therapy dog, but I would never put her or anyone else in danger. She's my baby, therapy dog or not.|
Thanks for your responses.
by sueincc on 24 May 2011 - 16:54
|I'm sorry that the guy ripped you off, no doubt that he shouldn't have done it, obviously he has no scruples, is a real jackass.|
As far as Malinois and therapy, please don't write the dog off quite yet! Just because a breed is typically high drive is no reason to assume they won't make excellent therapy dogs. Being a therapy dog has a lot to do with good nerve, and stability, not whether or not the dog is high drive. My experiences are quite different than that of the the above poster, in fact on the contrary, most of the great sport Malinois I have met are also very social, stable dogs, in that way, no different from great working line GSDs.
I think it's very important to understand the breed, how to train, exercise and work it properly, because they do require a real commitment. My suggestion would be that you get with some people experienced with the breed, who can test the dog for you to determine whether or not this dog will make a good therapy dog, (experienced Malinois handlers/trainers, not TT cert people), and then help you along the right path with your particular dog.
One more thing to keep in mind, even if your dog had been a purebred GSD, there are no guarantees when you get a puppy that it will end up being any good for whatever purpose or goals you had in mind when you bought the puppy. That's why puppies are so inexpensive, they are a crap shoot.
by Chaz Reinhold on 24 May 2011 - 18:38
|Same thing happened to me yesterday. I gave the cashier a ten dollar bill for my $6 product. He gave me back $14. I agree that you should get what you paid for, but if you wanted a low drive dog, why even look to a K9 or GSD? I'm sure you didn't post so people like me could point that out, but if it were me, I'd be at his house or department right now, instead of here.|
by Mystere on 24 May 2011 - 18:52
| I am so sorry that you have had such an ugly experience. I am also sorry that it was with a LEO, who any one of us would also have thought would be honest because he was a cop. Just goes to show that there are schmucks everywhere.|
What we have here is fraud and theft by deception. I'd be contacting him to let him know that my next communication would be with his department, regarding his conduct unbecoming an officer of the law nd instituting legal proceedings.
Check your state consumer protection statues. In some, this would be subject to treble (triple) damages for the amount you paid.
by realmccoy on 24 May 2011 - 20:11
dont misunderstand what I said lol
I was only talkin about the Mal's that I came accross, haven't met all of them to write them off as therapy dogs completely.
by unclemick on 24 May 2011 - 20:46
|You got ripped off plain and simple. A much superior dog ???????? Maybe, not for us to judge because we don't know the dog. This dog could very well be a great dog but.............you still got ripped off. You paid for a pure breed dog and got a cross. Tell the guy you want your money back and he can have his dog back. He won't want it back so he'll offer to give you some of your money back and let you keep your dog. In my opinion this is most likely the best outcome because you don't want to let a dog you are attached to go, and I can understand that.|
P.S. We have a Malinios in our little working dog club and he would make a very good therapy dog.
by burger64 on 24 May 2011 - 21:57
|bottom line is you paid 825 for a mutt, if your keeping her you should get at least 625 back from the breeder|
by Mystere on 24 May 2011 - 22:42
|?? Why is a mutt worth $200. Not arguing, just curious as to how one arrives at that figure. I would think a mutt iw worth what you could get one from the pound for, and no more.|
by cphudson on 24 May 2011 - 23:20
|Sorry to hear you what happen to you. The club where I train have a lot of Mals, GSD, & mixes of the 2. The GSD + Mal mix is popular with some of the correction officers / cops in our group.|
I'm not a big fan of most of the pure bred Mal's, but I love the mixes. Most of the mixes are active but ever out going & social with good nerve.
Should request for at least half your $ back though for a mix puppy is not worth the same amount you paid. If she doesn't work out as a therapy dog you can always try other ways to give back like SAR, bed bug sniffing dogs, help finding lost pets, agility programs where austic children can handler her, help keep air ports / military bases / golf courses clear of birds, etc..
by benzi on 25 May 2011 - 00:43
|Can you put a picture up so we can see what she looks like..thanks|
by Chaz Reinhold on 25 May 2011 - 00:46
|Mystere, better tell the Doodle Poo people that.|
by windwalker18 on 25 May 2011 - 02:24
|You were sold and paid for a purebred registered dog that you could compete in AKC events with, as well as using as a therapy dog. If you can get a DNA on her, and send that with the contract to the AKC Ethics committee you may get some action, especially if you can get your local all breed club behind you. While they're kind of worthless on many contract disputes the promise of a registered dog IS in their venue to address. If nothing else they can pull the registration on the breeder's dogs and refuse him the right to register litters. If he used a Police K9 in breeding there may also be an issue with the PD as most often the K9's are actually owned by the Department, and they wouldn't be too thrilled with his misrepresenting the puppy. |
Pick a $ amount, ask for 1/2 or 2/3 of the purchase price, plus any genetic testing to prove her ancestry. As one other poster daid, she may prove to be awesome as a therapy dog when she matures. Remember that high energy dogs need more exercise than your average couch potato. Swimming, chasing ball, treadmill etc all will help/
by troublelinx on 25 May 2011 - 04:36
|Sounds like your typical "bait and switch", possibly he thought it would not be an issue if the dogs looked enough like the GSD. He was wrong. With his ethics I doubt you will be seeing any money.|
by Dhaines on 25 May 2011 - 13:29
| I can't believe I actually uploaded this. I have a couple others I wanted to share, but this will have to do.|
Everyone had great advice and I appreciate all of it. I think I will definitely have my husband write him a letter appealing to his sense of duty, maybe even try and make him feel a little guilty for taking advantage a woman while my husband is deployed. If that doesn't work, this guy has no honor or heart and I'll drop it.
We work on general obedience every day and play games to keep her busy. Yesterday she learned how to catch a toy and a ball from a sitting position. I'm so proud ;)
We are going to work as hard as we can to get her to be a therapy dog, but she's our family now and if not, that is okay. I have a great trainer that is going to help me with private sessions and she knows what she's doing. Our goal was for her to go to work with my husband after he completed psychiatry residency to work with the military returning with PTSD and other psychological issues.
For those of you that are wondering, I did my research and talked extensively with the breeder about what I wanted in a GS (back before he got my deposit and stopped talking to me). The reason I picked a GS is because of their temperament, ability to train, and loyalty. Not to mention I think they are the most beautiful dogs ever! Her mother is a therapy dog and the breeders wife is a trainer, so I assumed when he told me this would be the perfect dog for me, he knew what he was talking about.
I still have faith in most people and I'm grateful for my little girl. If I had it to do all over again, I would have done it anyway, she's perfect!
by LadyFrost on 25 May 2011 - 14:08
hmm...if i did not know she was mal, i would have said she is GSD...but knowing she is part Mal...makes you see it her..
by weissblau on 25 May 2011 - 20:15
by VomMarischal on 25 May 2011 - 20:31
|Sure looks like a Shepawah to me! Some people breed them on purpose, although I would have no idea why. Maybe if you're in Holland it's ok....I train occasionally with one and he's a bit of an ass. He LOOOOVES going in for a fight with his muzzle on. And he fights dirty. I guess basically he got all the attitude of a Mal but the size of a GSD.|
It's great that you love her.