German Shepherd Dog > would you use your stud dog on bitches with no hip and elbow score (48 replies)
by desert dog on 07 May 2011 - 05:44
|Duke you said it right and I agree but when a person says he or she will delete working ability in a working dog and not seeing that as a fault more serious than say breeding a 1/1 hip or even a 1/2 to me is far more distructive to the breed. And as the one poster said these Working Ability? that is fine as long as it doesn't endanger her. If the dog doesn't work it is already endangered. That is my whole point. To many people will pick one or two things and talk like it is the end all of the breed while absolutely excepting other faults as it suits their lifestyle. To me a working dog that won't or can't work is a bigger threat to the breed than many other faults. I know it sounds like I advocate breeding bad hips and elbows, That is not correct I do want 0/0, or Excellant hips on every dog I own whether bred or not. But I do not breed just for that. There are a whole lot of things that are just as important in breeding whole dog. To me it doesn't do any good to have a race horse that won't run. It's not just about what a dog can do, it's also about what a dog will do.|
by StephanieJ on 07 May 2011 - 21:32
|@Highdesertgsd-you wrote, "Most dogs are first and foremost a pet for affection, all breeds. Why not?"|
A pet has value for you primarily because it belongs to you.
A dog capable of "work" has value independent of your attachment for it because of what it can do.
Hip and elbow scores not withstanding, the dog bred for work stands a better chance of leading a full, productive life.
by Nans gsd on 07 May 2011 - 23:36
|Well let me ask you a question with a question: Would you grow this litter up, all of them and certify hips/elbows, even preliminary is OK; then keep something out of this to show and replace your stud dog? If not, THEN ABSOLUTELY NO WOULD HAVE TO BE MY ANSWER. Nan|
by realmccoy on 08 May 2011 - 13:34
by sable59 on 08 May 2011 - 14:57
|ya know guys? hank and all the other working dog breeders. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK!!|
by HighDesertGSD on 09 May 2011 - 20:28
|A dog as a pet has extra value because it is beautiful to the owner and the owner extracts more satisfaction from hearing other people yelling out compliments.|
Appearance is a great asset and is a source of satifaction of ownership, per se, for all breeds of dogs. So is movement.
Working ability is good and can have some practical utility.
As I said many times, a great watch dog and a gun is useful, a watch dog that is associated with guarding is partcularly useful.
by HighDesertGSD on 09 May 2011 - 20:30
|"Hip and elbow scores not withstanding, the dog bred for work stands a better chance of leading a full, productive life."|
Productive to whom? Full according to whom and for whose benefit?
by HighDesertGSD on 09 May 2011 - 20:35
|It doesn't take any drive for any dog, say my American showline GSDs, to be an exercise companion.|
Between my two dogs I ride my bike 20 miles a week. Each follow my every other day on a three mile track.
I still wear jean the same waist size as I did in my college freshman year. This is very much enough work.
by Rik on 09 May 2011 - 23:06
|you guys are being played like a fiddle, as the saying goes.|