German Shepherd Dog > Titles being recognized (28 replies)
Titles being recognized
by Hedi on 19 April 2011 - 00:55
|Hypothetical question. So one title being earned with one scorebook (SCHI) and then the same team goes to another trial for let's say a SCH II...so now the scorebook does not match the hosting club. I am leaving out parent club organizations so the thread does not get deleted again. Basically, what I am wanting is to compete in all GSD organizations (both ways, actually all ways)...without having to be mindful of parent club affiliation and titles being recognized or not.|
by TingiesandTails on 19 April 2011 - 18:42
|I'm not sure about the clubs in the U.S. but as far as I know the scorebooks are printed by different head organizations. I guess you have to ask the the different organizations if they accept your original scorebook entries.|
by richram on 24 April 2011 - 01:04
| USCA and AWDF work together if you belong to one, you can trial in the other at the club level. For regionals and Nationals, you must belong to a club.|
GSDCA/WDA is a separate organization and I believe you must hold membership in their organization in order to trial. The same for DVG. I hope this helps you.
by Dog1 on 24 April 2011 - 20:46
|Join either the SV or GSDCA-WDA and the WDA and get one of the new GSDCA-WDA scorebooks. Have USA certify it. You can go anywhere.|
by sueincc on 24 April 2011 - 23:42
|Dog1 a question for you: Would not the same thing be accomplished by joining UScA, since UScA is a member of WUSV? |
Also, as a UScA member you could trial at any AWDF trial, including any AWDF member club trials, like DVG club trials, but correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think the same holds true for WDA members, since AWDF has nothing to do with WUSV?
richram: I believe DVG is also a member of AWDF, so I think USA members can trial at DVG club trials with their USA scorebook, but would have to be members of a DVG club to trial at the DVG Regional or DVG National level maybe?
oi ! It's all so damn complicated !!
by Hedi on 24 April 2011 - 23:46
|So UScA will certify scorebooks from the GSDCA-WDA? So do I need to be mindful of the judge affiliation then for titles to be honored across club affiliations? I have gotten some advise that is contrary to this. I can then also take this new WDA scorebook to the AWDFs if I choose or a DVG trial? I have heard that the UScA scorebook will work no problem in Germany with some sort of form from the SV. Is the same true with the new GSDCA-WDA book? |
richram-You say that you need to be a member of a club...are you meaning not a member at large or just affiliated with a parent organization?
Auch jemanden der mit der SV Mitglied ist kann auch antworten. Ich könnte auch wieder im SV Mitglied werden und ein Prüfungsheft so bekommen...oder nicht? Muss ich auch Mitglied bei einer Ortsgruppe sein...wie geht es mit dem Ausland Mitgliedschaft?
by Dog1 on 25 April 2011 - 02:00
The problem with joining USA is; once you do, You can't join the GSDCA or the WDA as they are competing German Shepherd organizations in the US. Thus you will be limited to only USA events. The question here is how do participate in all the events legally. There's no way to do it if you're a USA member. You have to give your money to another organization to participate in USA events if you want the flexibility to compete everywhere in the US.
USA accepts the new GSDCA-WDA book, bear in mind it needs to be USA certified to go to both organizations events. The DVG is affiliated with USA, It should work, not sure about the AWDF.
The SV is probably more concerned with who signed the book rather than what organization is on the cover.
by sueincc on 25 April 2011 - 02:56
|I'm not getting it, I am having a blonde senior moment. If WUSV requires all it's members accept each other into their trials then what is the advantage to belonging to WDA over USA? Doesn't that mean both GSDCA WDA and USA must accept each other in their trials now? |
I don't think GSDCA WDA members can trial in AWDF trials because they aren't members, but USA and DVG are members of AWDF, so if you belong to USA, you can trial at DVG or any other AWDF member club trials.
Thanks for your patience in getting this through my thick head!
by gsdsch3v on 25 April 2011 - 02:58
|Good info to know.|
by Dog1 on 25 April 2011 - 03:11
It's confusing isn't it....The deciding factor is the limitation USA puts on it's members. You cannot be a member of USA and join a competing US German Shepherd club. You or a co owner must be a WDA member to compete in a WDA event. The situation does a bit of a flip. Since you have to be a WDA member to compete in a WDA event, you can't be a USA member, because if you were a USA member, you couldn't be a WDA member and you then couldn't compete in WDA events.
Make sense or should I give a couple examples?
by sueincc on 25 April 2011 - 03:39
My stumbling block/confusion is the WUSV thing. If the reason USA allows GSDCA WDA members to participate in their trials is because WUSV requires that all member clubs allow each other to participate in each other trials then by the same token, doesn't GSDCA WDA have to allow USA members to participate in it's trials too? What am I missing?
by Dog1 on 25 April 2011 - 12:36
There's a disconnect bewee t GSDCA an thGSDCA-WDA. The GSDCA is a WUSV member, the GSDCA-WDA is not. The agreement between WUSV clubs which allows the GSDCA members to participate in USA events does not flow through to the WDA. That's why you ave to b a WDA member. It's h only way you can ompete in WDA events. You can compete in USA events by indirect membership.
by sueincc on 25 April 2011 - 13:34
|Seems like when the Johannes Amendment passed, didn't I hear a lot from the WDA folks about how everyone was welcome at their trials, member or no? Guess things have changed. |
The way it was explained to me, since GSDCA is a member of WUSV, as is USA, members of GSDCA must be allowed to enter USA trials, but not if someone was just a member of WDA. So if GSDCA is printing their name on all WDA scorebooks just so that WDA members can enter USA trials, shouldn't turn about be fair play?
Thanks for explaining it though.
by leeshideaway on 25 April 2011 - 13:57
|I know people that are UScA members that got schutzhund titles at a WDA club but it had to be an SV judge at the WDA trial.|
I also know a guy that told me a UScA club would not do a korung at a show because he was a WDA member or he had to be a UScA member.
Another friend that is/was an SV member told me that joining the SV will not help in these circumstances.
(unless I lived in Germany)
by Hedi on 25 April 2011 - 23:53
|So there is more alphabet soup...the GSDCA-WDA is different then the GSDCA? So basically you have to be aware that any judge that signs your book is a SV judge regardless of affiliation. Hypothetically one could get titled up to a SCH III and then seek out a SCH III title with a SV judge signature and be okay to go anywhere?|
by Hedi on 26 April 2011 - 00:28
by Rik on 26 April 2011 - 03:07
|Hedi, I'm in the beginning stages so there is better advice from others. but if I put in the time and expense, I'm going to present my dogs to SV judges.|
by Rik on 26 April 2011 - 03:15
|I did not realize that one had to be a member of WDA to participate in events. Guess I need to send in my dues.|
The GSDCA does not require membership to participate in any of their events.
by sueincc on 26 April 2011 - 03:53
|OK, so over on the Green Board I just read where Cindy Peterson says anyone can trial at a WDA event, you do NOT have to be a member of WDA to enter a WDA trial. |
Here is the thread:
Since USA holds the majority of trials in this country, plus they are members of AWDF, so there is also access to their member clubs trials, coupled with the fact that you don't have to be a member of WDA to trial at WDA trials, it seems like continuing my USA membership is the most logical and beneficial, at least for me.
by GSDPACK on 26 April 2011 - 05:27
|I trialed in Nationals and I was not a member of a club... ahhhh confused here, but I am a member of UScA so maybe that is enough. Who knows. I just take a dog and trial.. If the title is not good I trial somewhere else untill I get the tite recognized.lol|