German Shepherd Dog > In Future Pedigrees - Who will be the Top Dog We Will Be Debating - WL (115 replies)
by Jeff Oehlsen on 12 July 2011 - 12:42
|The sport of Sch is more about the training. There is not much difference in one helper from the next, and if you do get a difference, like a while back when Armin Winkler was out there, you get dogs running. |
The ring dogs at the "finals" have went through the selectiffs, where the decoys are also competing to see who gets to play at the final. Lets face it, it is a tougher sport, and there is not much you can do if your dog has a hole that needs fixing. If it is training, then sure, if it is character, there is no pattern to help the dog get through it.
Lastly, there are the jumps in FR. The dogs have to have power to be able to handle the pallisade, long jump and hurdle and not fall apart. How many of their dogs are only doing 3 or 4 trails a year ? Basco has 13 trials at 3 in a year if I remember correctly. Spines get banged up, dogs fall straight back on their tails off the pallisade, the dang long jump is pretty hard on their shoulders, Bomber, a MR3 here in the states broke his back doing the long jump. It is just way different.
by myret on 12 July 2011 - 13:41
yes I wrote with Daniel we have Vasco du val des hurles vent in Denmark bred by him and what a dog its such a shame that my female was not breed to him I really hoped that she could have been breed by Vasco sins I me and the breeder could agree on Lubeck and could not get a hold of Inox owner so we had to bred her to someone else
I would like though to buy a dog from Daniel
by judron55 on 12 July 2011 - 14:34
| like a while back when Armin Winkler was out there, you get dogs running. |
Nothing Armin did made a dog run....it was the dog plain and simple...I have had dogs run on me!
Sorry, but I don't care what sport you choose...the same applies to all....the character of the dog will show no matter how much training you do to hide it. I'm not saying the sport isn't tougher on the dogs physically..just stating that there are plenty of dogs that could do the ring excercises...if they were exposed to it.....
oh and by the way folks....Sam Beit Haboxer Mehagiva had a litter here in the states about 3 weeks ago. Mike Conley in Arkansas has the bitch...I believe a KNVP bitch...2 males...5 females!
by von Harasymtzuk on 12 July 2011 - 15:10
|What about the B litter from Burgdorfer Holz? That was a very successful litter, most of the progeny (Asko Lutter x Hexe Waldwinkel) have competed at top levels, multiple times and seem to passing on their workability... just curious as one of my bitches is out of one of those dogs. and on the dam side, Mink/Fero free.|
I think Asko Lutter will always be remembered, Olex De Valsory, the Salztalblick dogs and others that have been mentioned. Can't forget about the bitches, Schiffslache and Staattsmacht bitches have produced some nice dogs, Forma Karthago...too many to list.
by dAWgESOME on 12 July 2011 - 15:19
|Just jumping in to this topic now but AMEN BlackthornGSD!!!! |
by Tarakiwa on 12 July 2011 - 17:47
If we are mentioning future dogs that we will be talking about in the future, should these dogs be no more than 4 years old
Also has there been more than one star from their litter to make that breeding / pedigree awesome.
Tyson von der Schiffslache x Wilma vom Ketscher Wald
For me, these 3 dogs are awesome
there are lots of videos of these dogs....big, aggressive, serious dogs.... -
Balko von der Teufelskehle
SCHH3 QUALI ZUR LGA 2010 100/95/99 Kkl 1
Basco von der Teufelskehle
SCH3 Kkl 2
V Black-Jack von der Teufelskehle
SCHH3, ED-NORMAL, ZW 71 Kkl 1
Basra von der Teufelskehle
SCHH3.IPO3 Kkl 1
SG Alfa von der Gliggermuehle
by Jeff Oehlsen on 12 July 2011 - 22:53
|Myret, it is a shame that you could not get your bitch bred to Lubbeck. Laurent Liberal has some really nice breedings coming up, have you checked them out at all ? |
Quote: the character of the dog will show no matter how much training you do to hide it. I'm not saying the sport isn't tougher on the dogs physically..just stating that there are plenty of dogs that could do the ring excercises...if they were exposed to it.....
Well, get going. LOL Enough of this silly stick with one sport crap, I am sure that you have done it long enough. : )
It is the physical considerations that I worry about the most. It is not easy to find out if a dog had to take a year off for injury. Some of them may only compete a few times a year, and that is also something that I am looking into finding out. I have seen some real nasty crashes on esquives where the dog misses by milimeters, and that is something to consider with all the dogs I hear with tendons rupturing.
I know that a while back I took Esko to south dakota, and he is used to the slick dead grass down here, where they slide. He got plenty of traction there and rolled and bounced a few times going after the ball. The look on his face was priceless.
by myret on 13 July 2011 - 11:33
who is Laurent ?
yes a damn shame that I could nnot breed her to Lubeck I really liked this dog he really reminds me of herself good temperement good with people ,kids and anyone , but have the drives and intensity that many gsd lacks ,
but I still hope that the pups will some of it anyway with this male the genes should be fine in the combination we used.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 14 July 2011 - 05:23
|I have no idea why you listen to your breeder. I would have done it anyway.|
This is his website. He is Esko's breeder.
Who is your breeder so people can see what a nightmare it would be to get a dog from him. : )
by myret on 14 July 2011 - 10:14
I agree I do not know why I listened to him, it was probably because he before she went into heat that he still would not approve the males I suggested with, every time there was an excuse why he would not use the dog , he came with a threat if we do not chose him then he wanted his money back he paid for the training of schh 1 silly me . And wanted me to pay
by myret on 14 July 2011 - 10:26
Yes I found Esko's kennel I like his dogs to I think if the pup I'm keeping from my litter if he does not turn out as I like then I have been thinking alot about buing a dog from á french kennel I like the way breed and test their dogs in anything else than Schh
or if it was possible to breed her next time again with a french lined dog like Vasco or another but lets wait and se
just a shame that we live in Scandinavia we don't have RING sport here or KNPV but we have PH a litle like KNPV i titled my male in this programme
by johan77 on 16 July 2011 - 08:50
|Mona and mary v haus pixner seems popular thru their sons sid v haus pixner, mike v weinbergblick and other dogs with these bitches in their pedigree.|
Myret, mondioring is done in scandinavia, maybe not denmark, but anyway there are dogs from french lines, or other dogs I´m sure couild perform well in both KNPV or french ring if given the chance. I don´t get why you bother so much what stud to use if it is you breeder that has the final word anyway.
by myret on 16 July 2011 - 13:50
not in Denmark
now it was not meant that he should determine what he she should be paired with, he has only bred the dog but he does not own the female I do, that's why it meant a lot, I was just so tired of discussing it with him that I gave in to a dog with Schh titles, so I've given up.
she has been mated and I told him that if the dog I keep does not
by myret on 16 July 2011 - 13:56
now I don't what you mean by bother I am not looking anymore for a stud for her , because she has been mated and we exspect the litter next month if there is any , and it was not me that brought the supject up in this post ,
by goodwink on 16 July 2011 - 14:24
|I think that PONGO VOM HUGELBLICK is going to be a TOP DOG!!!! He looks AWESOME...Remember his name!!!!!|
Pongo von Hügelblick
Pongo von HügelblickPongo von Hügelblickhttp://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=555136
by myret on 16 July 2011 - 18:52
I'm sure you're right that there are dogs with schh titles which can compete in sports and RING OR KNPV but it's not the same qualities in dogs that is needed in the various programs in the sport, there are some qualities in dogs one seeks as probably not necessary in either RING OR KNPV or schh but when one is not unless the dogs are selectively chosen for breeding