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Inexperienced male dog.
by zobelhund on 12 April 2011 - 23:15
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hello,
  I am new to breeding and I have two inexperienced shepherds. My female is ready currently, Flagging, holding tail, pushing rearend into male. She allows him to mount also.
My problem is the male. He licks, smells and shows interest in the female. He will mount her but thats it. He will not make any "mating humps" and his penis doesnt come out. Should I be assisting him and if so how?
I did attempt to assist. Holding the female still and trying to direct the male in.
Its not working.
Thanks everyone!
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by Vikram on 13 April 2011 - 00:23
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if he cannot . Don;t help him. If it ain't natural it ain't worth it
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by Dog1 on 13 April 2011 - 00:31
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Frustrastion is a great motivational force.
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by djc on 13 April 2011 - 01:10
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A couple of things.... what day is she actually on? Some females are "Hoes" and will act like they are ready when they are still early. I learned early on to trust my male. But a progesterone test will tell the tale, if she really is ready. If you don't want to do one then just wait it out and see if he shows more interest as time goes on.
 How old is he? If he's young then that is a bit unusual. Most young males want it whether they are ready or not. More experienced males will wait until they smell/taste that they are ready.
Lastly, I would have some health checks done to make sure there is not something physical going on with him. IE prostate infection, bladder infection, low levels in some of the blood panels, low sperm count... etc. There are also suppliments that you can put him on... Mr. Stud in one and there are many others.
Hope that helps some!
Debby
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by zobelhund on 13 April 2011 - 01:20
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djc: My female is on day 13. Yesterday she also showed signs of being ready. Is this too soon?
Our male is 1 1/2yrs. It seems as if he is just either too young or inexperienced. He just really doesn't seem to know what to do or really be too interested in trying hard.
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by djc on 13 April 2011 - 01:28
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No, day 13 would be in the normal ballpark of 9-15. I've had females take as far in as 25 days. So a progesterone and health checks on him are what I would suggest.
Debby
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by zobelhund on 13 April 2011 - 01:35
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I have an exam on Saturday for the both of them. Would you suggest AI?
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by Niesia on 13 April 2011 - 01:54
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1 1/2 year male is still only an adolescent. Did he have an opportunity to see an experienced male mate a female? How old is your female? If she is about the same age – she is only a teenager, too.
Nature usually takes care of itself. If you are desperate for them to mate, leave those puppies alone – they’ll figure it out eventually on their own…
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by Kalibeck on 13 April 2011 - 02:49
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Just wondering, since your male is so young, have you had his hips examined? If he is dysplastic, mounting the bitch will be painful, & thrusting may be beyond what he can do. I'd get his hips checked, too, if you haven't already. jackie harris
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by Vikram on 13 April 2011 - 02:50
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well said very valid point thats why let it be natural. dont help if he cant do idont use him for breeding no matter hiow great the bloodline
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by dogladyj on 13 April 2011 - 05:11
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A whole 18 months of life himself and he cant figure it out YET?????????? My suggestion is to just neuter him now!

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by Siantha on 13 April 2011 - 07:03
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we thought our male was gay because my female took to 25 days to have the right hormones and he wouldent mount her untill she was just right lol. and it was his second mateing. just relax if its going to happen it will if its not then pay a stud fee. lol
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by zobelhund on 13 April 2011 - 10:02
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My female is 2 yrs. They both have had their hips xrayed via OFA.
Its not painful for him as he will jump in the yard, run, jump over things.. I had to watch that he wasn't jumping too much as a pup.
I just feel he may be inexperienced and what know what exactly to do. I have been keeping them together. I wont keep them together however when I am away. They both are crated in the same room. He doesn't even freak out to get to her....
Thanks everyone
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by sable59 on 13 April 2011 - 13:08
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 nature is all he needs. she may not be ready.are you counting from the first sigh of color or just saying she has been in that long by her actions. my stud will sniff etc. and he won't even try and mount and waste his enegry until the female is ready.
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by SitasMom on 13 April 2011 - 13:24
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"They both have had their hips xrayed via OFA"

OFA doesn't xray hips veterinarians do. OFA grades hips but only after 24 months of age.

If you don't know this then I wonder if you've actually done this or not.



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by trixx on 13 April 2011 - 15:33
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they could of been pre lim OFA, well i can tell you that some males are just not ready till 2 years old, and then i have seen some ready at 18 months. it has alot to do with when he is mature enough, he should be nuts for your female if she is ready, and if she is flagging she is ready. i would just give the boy more time, he is probley not ready yet.
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by cphudson on 13 April 2011 - 16:12
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If you really want your female bred, suggest taking her to a a experience stud. You can use the male next time around when he is more mature.

I had an issue with a dud of a stud once. He would not get excited enough to get the job done sort of speak. I took my girl some where else & had a tie in less than 5 minutes.
That stud had few more attempts at mating to other females, he could not preform with them either. He was taken to the vet for a full check up, everything came back normal -?
He has only been able to breed AI, not enough get up & go to get the job done naturally.

But my vet gave this suggestions to try with the above stud:

Place your girl with a neutered teaser stud. A experience stud that will mount your girl, but is neuter. Have your young male in a place he can watch & get fustrated but can't disrupt the teaser male.
Your boy will learn what to do, get fustrated enough to do it & claim his girl back. Not a guarrantee to work, but does work majority of time with young dogs.

Your boy is still young so has time to figure out what to do. Give him the extra time he needs if above doesn't work. Take your girl to experience stud now for breeding, then next year try again with him.
Odds would be in his favor once she is experience now with mating.

Good luck

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by zobelhund on 13 April 2011 - 20:12
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Sitasmom: Yes, Thank you very much. OFA has graded the xrays. My vet took them and sent them in. However you are wrong with the age. OFA will not certify a dog under the age of 24months but you can get prelim. results.

Thanks everyone else for the advice. I suppose I just wasn't giving him enough time. When I got home within a few minutes my male was mounting my female. They tied at 3:30 and apart at 3:38.
Thanks again to everyone!!!
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by HighDesertGSD on 13 April 2011 - 22:09
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Really, you are the owner of a breed worthy female.

Go get a top stud.

The whole idea of keeping just any male to breed is missing the whole point.

The stud is 50% of the genes of your pups.
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by lovejags on 14 April 2011 - 06:42
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WELL MY TEN MONTH OLD MALE MUST THINK HE IS SUPERMAN BECAUSE I HAD AN "OOPS" BREEDING WITH HIM AND MY THREE YEAR OLD FEMALE. HE SURELY DIDN'T NEED ANY HELP DOING HIS "THING". HE MOUNTED, THRUSTED, TIED, AND STAYED TIED FOR 24 MINUTES.
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