German Shepherd Dog > RAW FED PUPS VS. KIBBLE FED PUPS- PICTURES (216 replies)
by Trouble97 on 07 April 2011 - 17:18
|I totally agree with the common sense food at Bullinger Shepherds. My Arco was raised on it from before he was born that is what his mom ate and then all the puppies ate it too! I saw a kennel of GSDs eating dry kibble and raw burger had yucky stool and tons of it everyday, dull haircoats, to eating common sense and small stool amounts and beautiful shiny coats. They looked fabulous and the health of the puppies improved greatly too. They seemed stronger, more robust and healthy! I have tried several raw foods and that is by far my favorite!!|
This was way back in 1999 to 2000, I remember opening the first package and it smelled so good and you could see the veggies and other ingredients in it! The dogs absolutely loved it!!
by steve1 on 07 April 2011 - 20:22
|Two Pic's of the same Pup first at 8 weeks old, second Pic around 14 weeks old, Fed on Kibble,|
by steve1 on 07 April 2011 - 20:23
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 01:47
good luck with your randomization, large sample size, and case matching. by the time science conducts such a study, or funds one, my dogs will be dead. i would rather feed them raw now, because i know and see the benefits for myself and don't need to wait for science to catch up.
a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.
nature does not abide by science...natural science, however, is the study of nature in attempt to explain natural phenomena.
by the way, those of you pushing these nutritional studies and "balanced" diets, do you have any studies on dry food? Or do you know how these nutritional studies are done?
here are a few things i found interesting. this study had a "large sample size" of 18 dogs: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1704S.short
here is another study, another "large sample size" of 18 healthy dogs and 30 healthy cats: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/7/2041S.full
oh good, here's another nutritional study, a "randomized controlled trial" of 39 overweight beagles: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full
hey, this is even better! 6 different brands of dog food were tested for nutrient digestibility. the foods were fed to 4 minks. oh hell, why bother using dogs. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2141S.full#top
this "study" starts off with 'protein ingredient costs have gone up'. the article goes on to say "Dogs prefer animal protein as a matter of taste preference." i would like to know which dogs they asked. But "Very recent information suggests that taurine (found only in animal proteins and not plant proteins) may be an essential nutrient for dogs in some situati
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 01:51
|this "study" starts off with 'protein ingredient costs have gone up'. the article goes on to say "Dogs prefer animal protein as a matter of taste preference." i would like to know which dogs they asked. But "Very recent information suggests that taurine (found only in animal proteins and not plant proteins) may be an essential nutrient for dogs in some situations." that's wonderful...so are they saying that all these years they could have been wrong? or they haven't quite figured it out yet? And "Zenteck (1995) observed that dogs fed meat and bone meal diet had higher concentrations of hydrogen sulfide than did dogs fed a soy-based diet, suggesting that diets containing meat protein only may result in more flatulence...". Those are great finding. They may fart more. http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-com...ins%20in--.pdf|
and the list goes on.
by martinusta1980 on 08 April 2011 - 04:45
i Fed him TOTW Sierra Mountain Formula, But Switched to raw yesterday (gradually) so far no diarrhea, lets see. he takes longer eating and drink less water after, when i fed him kibble he had to drink lots of water after the meals. im giving him 80% muscle meat, 10% organs, 10% Bone. no veggies. anyway its too soon to see any improvements. (other than he wigs his tails while eating the whole time) he seems really happy to eat raw.
by martinusta1980 on 08 April 2011 - 04:50
some more pics.
by steve1 on 08 April 2011 - 05:22
You have been taken in by the Raw feeders it seems, Can you tell me what was so wrong in the condition of your Pup that made you change to Raw, He or she looks good and healthy so why change when the Pup looks so well, I hope not but you may live to regret your change but only time will tell post these Pics of the Pup now again in 4 months time and some Pic's of the dog then fed Raw for the 4 months
by mollyandjack on 08 April 2011 - 05:56
What a happy looking little guy! My dog also used to drink tons of water after meals - he doesn't on raw.
by martinusta1980 on 08 April 2011 - 10:42
|steve thanks for sharing your thoughts, i hope i don't regret my choice. congo doesn't have any major issue other than just sheding like crazy, and his stools are substantial and smelly|
(he's been dewormed). the thing is, for me its possible to feed him raw, so why stop at good when i can give him the best? and i just started anyway if anything should go wrong, i can always switch him back to quality kibble. only time will tell.
note: by the time i wrote this comment (06:39 AM eastern time), congo had not yet pooped since yesterday noon. on kibble by now he'd probably gone twice already.
by steve1 on 08 April 2011 - 11:38
|No disrepects, but how do you know Raw is the best if you are just trying it, Only by what others here have convinced you of on here, Yes, you can go back to Kibble if it does not work out but remember this, if your dog does get any setback at all, reverting back to kibble may not solve it, Of course I hope nothing does, but worth keeping that in mind.|
Poop' you Guys keep saying how much Poop your Kibble Dogs churn out any dog or human will churn out Poop in abundance if you feed to much food Raw or Kibble, My Dogs Poop in the Mornings when they go out probably one time in the evening or Night thats it rarely more than twice a day. Unless it is a little Puppy they of course Poop more
Good Luck with the change post some Pic's of your Dog in a few Months time along with the same ones you have put on here
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 14:24
|martinusta1980, good luck with the change, and no, you won't regret it. there is a bit of a learning curve when feeding raw, and you may come across an issue (or something you THINK may be an issue) that is easily tweaked/resolved. if you have any questions as you go along, just post them and i'm sure the raw feeding community on this site would love to help you. |
to everyone else, here is someone who decided to check it out for themselves, on their own accord. and all you (pro-kibble) have to say is:
"You have been taken in by the Raw feeders it seems, Can you tell me what was so wrong in the condition of your Pup that made you change to Raw, He or she looks good and healthy so why change when the Pup looks so well, I hope not but you may live to regret your change..."
what are you so afraid of??? that this person will come back with great results? (to which your comments will be along the lines of "well you're just one person, and it's only your opinion, and there are many cons, and you were just lucky")
you don't have to wait for something to be wrong to do something about it. your dog doesn't have to have a medical condition in order to improve it's diet. i don't have to wait until i'm 350 lbs and my thighs rub together, to then lay off the processed and fast foods.
by steve1 on 08 April 2011 - 14:37
I had to laugh at your last post, I feed my Dogs Kibble none have ever been over weight.
WHY because i know how to feed livestock and myself, And most on here know that except you, For me my thighs will only rub together when they put me in the wooden box when i snuff the candle.
I have in my fairly long life never eaten a Hamburger, Hot dog, Pizza, or any processed food, i only eat fresh vegetables and meat and fish nothing else, My weight is only 9lb higher than when i was 34 years old now 70. So here is one Kibble feeder whose dogs or himself is not over weight. take a look at the dog in my avatar does she look over weight speaks for its self
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 14:53
|here we go again with the comprehension problems. i didn't call your dog fat. it was an analogy. here is another analogy, i shouldn't have to wait until i have high cholesterol or a heart attack before laying off the burgers, fried chicken, and mac & cheese. |
a-nal-o-gy: a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based.
"I have in my fairly long life never eaten a Hamburger, Hot dog, Pizza, or any processed food, i only eat fresh vegetables
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 14:57
|"I have in my fairly long life never eaten a Hamburger, Hot dog, Pizza, or any processed food, i only eat fresh vegetables and meat and fish nothing else"|
why don't you eat processed or crap food?
why do you think it's ok to feed it to your dogs?
(i'm sure someone will jump in here with a story of their grandfather who is 105 years old and in perfect health, who has only eaten mcdonalds for the past 70 years of his life)
by uvw on 08 April 2011 - 15:02
|"WHY because i know how to feed livestock and myself"|
and this is your first mistake - comparing dogs to livestock.
sure livestock (for example cows) can survive on medicated feed and chicken poo, and then ecoli pops up and meat is recalled, people get sick, and kids die. because livestock (for example cows) were meant to eat grass, not corn and chicken poo.
and dogs were meant to eat meat, not corn or rendered remains of ecoli ridden livestock, highly processed to sterilize it, with preservatives, cereals, and chemically added nutrition.
by LadyFrost on 08 April 2011 - 15:13
|steve, you are very passionate about your dogs and training it has always been obvious and admirable... so your dedication is not in question However if you do not eat process food such as pizzas, hamburgers, etc why do you feed process food to your dogs?|
Also, why would your opinion be more valuable than opinion of someone who feeds raw?...I feed my dogs both because that what works for my dogs and my income but i would never argue or tell someone that "you will regret" if they don't do what I do or disagree with me...it's no longer about food but about control and just bad attitude.
by LadyFrost on 08 April 2011 - 15:15
by martinusta1980 on 08 April 2011 - 15:22
|Uh... ok... Hehehe, chill out guys! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Steve, I wouldn't make such an important decision based on a forum comments (ONLY) I've read enough literature and talked to different people who feed their dogs raw, so I'Ve been able to see results for myself. I'm a logical and pragmatic person, common sense also helped me to commit to raw (wild life). I'm pretty sure that like all of you guys in this forum I only want the best for my friend. Kibble or raw It's about peace of mind IMHO. Knowing your doing the best you can within your possibilities... also on a separate note, its Nice to see people get passionate about dogs and their points of view, it gets annoying when we turn it personal and start making nasty off-topic comments. Jmo.|
by steve1 on 08 April 2011 - 16:18
That was not meant in an unkind way when i said i hope it is not regreted, and i think the owner of the Pup knows that
Dogs are Live Stock not commercial but still live stock. My dogs eat a Grain free Kibble no Grains at all.
I guess you live in a country where food is much cheaper than where i live, If you have read my notes on here you will have read that for me to feed Raw i would have to buy 450lb of Meat produce in one go and the cost would be for one Dog 130 USA dollars a month to feed it
I am not paying 130 dollars a month to feed ONE dog now i have two soon to be three again,
Plus i do not have room for 450lb of produce at any one time, that is even if i wanted to, However you carry on as much as you want nothing has been proved without doubt that Raw is better than Kibble or Kibble is better than Raw
Over here in Belgium the majority of G.S owners feed Kibble, So i guess they all have unhealthy dogs according to many of you Raw feeders and doing there dogs a big injustice
Let us see a Pic of your Dogs on here so we can see for ourselves, i am sure you will agree to that you must have one you can post