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define suspicion? by troubles on 18 March 2011 - 01:35 |
| anyone here have any good definitions of suspecion? In a dog? |
by alboe2009 on 18 March 2011 - 02:59 |
| Not sure exactly what you are asking but I'll try. Are you asking what is "suspicion" through a dogs' eyes? IMO, First and foremost"suspicion" for him should be the same as for you. Now saying that you have to break things down............... What type of dog, not breed, but what is he/she used for? Is he/she a working dog? A pet? etc.; etc.? If my explosive detection dog is out his "suspicion" is going to be different than John Q. Publics' GSD running around in his back yard. The PSD whatever he's trained in single/dual purpose? His "suspicion" will be different also. Situation dictates.........Depends on the purpose of the dog, depends on where you are and what you're doing? |
alboe2009 by troubles on 18 March 2011 - 03:27 |
| when people say "this gsd has a lot of suspicion in him" or is very suspicious of strangers i hear that a lot how does a dog act if he is suspecious? |
by alboe2009 on 18 March 2011 - 03:50 |
| I'm a literal type of person and I usually break things down word for word. So I'll give my thoughts. IMO you could have ten dogs in the same "situation" and those ten dogs could react differently to the same "suspicious stimuli" and might be ten different reactions/actions due to handler/master. First line: Depends on what the GSD is doing for whoever to make that comment? But by that statement I would think their attempting to say the dogs is suspicious of lots of things? Not EVERYTHING but a lot of things; strangers, maybe not strangers, situations? Car driving up/by or a person walking by. Anything he is uncertain about. Second line: reiterates what I sated above. Third line: Are you serious? Take your dog out and observe him/her, . |
by troubles on 18 March 2011 - 04:43 |
| take my gsd out and look for signs of suspicion? WOW that is the most silly advice i have ever been told. things are not that complex. :) lets just see if an expert or someone who understands the question sees this and hear what they have to say ok? |
by Ruger1 on 18 March 2011 - 05:03 |
Troubles... I am not an expert lol...But I have a male that IMO is very suspicious of people. My male GSD will keep his eyes nailed on anyone outside our immediate family. He will stare hard and it is very difficult to distract him once he is focused on someone...He absolutely does not like anyone in the house, yard or near our vehicle. I have to correct him most of the time for getting smart in situations like that....; ) He is not suspicious of noises or other dogs just people....: ) I hope my example helps...: ) Deanna..: ) |
Ruger1 by alboe2009 on 18 March 2011 - 05:23 |
| Hhhmmmnnnn? If your dog is indoors and you are no where around. If your dog is outdoors and you're indoors? Indoors sleeping? How are you going to observe your dog being suspicious? You either have to observe through the window or be with the dog. How in the world are you going to observe suspicious behavior? Why are things so complicated for some? How can you ask such a vague question with so many variables involved and expect a concrete answer/example? My point is if I take my dog outdoors and I see certain movements, actions etc I'll can tell he/she needs to "break" or go to the bathroom. But your dog might do something totally different. And my trained dog or dogs might act/react differently than yours to "suspicious" things? A total stranger; my dogs might take a look and think nothing of it, not even take a second look. Your dog my take a look, start barking like crazy, not stop barking, pace from one side of the yard to the other and never stop barking till the person is gone. I think your initial question was "anyone have good definitions of suspicion?" |
by troubles on 18 March 2011 - 16:39 |
| ruger when does his intense stare turn into a bark? |
by Ruger1 on 18 March 2011 - 17:18 |
| Troubles... " ruger when does his intense stare turn into a bark?" That just sort of depends on the situation....but Prince tends to do more growling rather then barking.... |
by troubles on 18 March 2011 - 17:41 |
| thanks rugar so it starts with an intense stare then moves onto growling ? does it ever just end with a stare if you avoid whatever it is rugar is intensely staring at ? my girl will stare at some men usually while walking it is never women or kids and she looks at them in a wierd way really intense i was wondering if that was what everyone called suspicion as i was new to gsd's mostly her ears are always up and she looks as though she is looking at a prey animal it is really strange If if i notice i just kinda give the person a wide birth on the sidewalk. so i do not ruin their walk. |
by Ruger1 on 18 March 2011 - 18:24 |
| thanks rugar so it starts with an intense stare then moves onto growling ? does it ever just end with a stare if you avoid whatever it is rugar is intensely staring at ? trouble,,, If I was a more experienced handler I am positive it would end with just a stare...lol....; ) Howver, when I see Prince getting ready to fire up on a situation I will distract him with obedience getting him to focus on me or I will remove him from the situation..... |
by SportySchGuy on 18 March 2011 - 22:36 |
| You guys are funny. You are over analyzing this stuff. Stop mulling over theory and go work more dogs. If you see a lot of dogs then you don't need to define suspicion. |
SportySchGuy by alboe2009 on 19 March 2011 - 16:06 |
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by demeras on 10 April 2011 - 05:59 |
| New situations and new things...your dogs reaction to them. New people...new stimuli...again what is his reaction to it. If the dog just rushes in with no thought ...one might call that impulsive or prey drive...But when a dog is "suspisious"......he is slower to engage in the situation until he has a handle on it. Suspisious is also a thinking dog.....Its not Rocket Science........GSD are usually suspisious of people other then their owners at first...Protection....fight or flight....all those things come into play depending on your dog. JMO |
by UglyK9 on 11 April 2011 - 14:02 |
| Just My two cents.... I believe Suspicion is the first of three levels of Stimulation in a dog when talking about aggression. Suspicion, Threat, Danger. Think of yourself sitting in a bar....... Suspicion, You see that guy sitting across the bar hood up, slumped over, or looking around with a weird look on his face. you can obviously tell hes up to something and is different from the rest of the crowd. If the helper can present himself as suspicious the dog should be at least paying very close attention to him. Threat, That same guy begins staring you down or walking towards you with a mean gaze. The dog should realize this guy is serious and begin barking. A dog with high levels of suspicion or that is experienced will probably begin to bark before this when the helper is only suspicious. Danger, The guy is now in your face, within arms distance. He is dangerous to your physical well being. Fight or get hurt. At this point the dog should be fighting and if presented the option should have the intent to bite. Obviously its not always this cut and dry but if a dog will let a helper go through all three stages with no reaction, usually a slight physical "stimulation" will raise his suspicion levels, and will show him to react when the helper is a threat or danger to him. |
UglyK9 by judron55 on 11 April 2011 - 14:53 |
| a state of mental uneasiness and uncertainty....physical stimulation does not bring out suspicion...IMHO.... for a helper, it is necessary to bring out the proper response in a young dog. I can make any dog suspicious of me just by look or posture...without running around like a clown. If you start this type of work, it should be done at a distance before pressuring a young dog:-) It sure helps with developing the bark...unfortunately, most helpers haven't a clue as how to bring out this response as it takes time and patience:-) Happy training! |
judron55 by Siantha on 11 April 2011 - 15:06 |
| like persay my female if i sit in a parking lot she will sit calmly and just watch everyone around her occasionaly there will be one person that she will sit and get a intense stare at the one person till they go out of her sight range or get in their car. then she goes back to watching. you your self im sure have bin walking down the road or bin in a room and someone starts acting odd or looks funny and it catches your eye and you wonder what they are doing. thats suspicion the dictionary definition is a feeling of distrust or percieved guilt from someone or something. even my new puppy i have had for 3 days is very aware. hes not quite old enough to rely know much about it but he will stare people down at 13 weeks you will know if you pay attention to your dog if he is being suspicious of someone or not. thats just handler observation noone can tell you how your dog will act since each one is different. |
Siantha by sable59 on 11 April 2011 - 15:19 |
| uglyk9 i like your idea. |
by UglyK9 on 11 April 2011 - 17:00 |
| Thanks Sable.....Judron, I think what you and I have described are very much inline with each other. ALOT of dogs have a good amount of natural suspicion and will fire off when the helper is portraying himself only as suspicious and not yet at the level of threat or danger, like you said suspicion is usually from a distance. But what happens if you have a very confident dog or for that matter a dog that goes into avoidance when it sees the helper being suspicious? You would have elevate your level to becoming a threat and danger, if the dog still did not react and will willingly let you come with in a distance of being able to touch it at that point it would be appropriate to use physical stimulation of some sort...usually very little works. The dog will react in some manner either by coming forward or vocalizing driving the helper out of the danger zone. The next time, the dog will be more suspicious of the helper and should have learned not to let him get within the danger zone. At the same time, a dog that turns on at the presence of suspicion would usually not need any physical stim as this would defeat all of his levels of defense. Have a good one! |
by UglyK9 on 11 April 2011 - 17:01 |
| Sable......I wish I could claim that as my idea......Learned it from a very wise man:) |
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