German Shepherd Dog > Janice Bartmess (154 replies)
by eichenluft on 09 March 2011 - 08:45
|I am concerned about the 13 dogs - but less concerned about them now that they are safe and away from that woman - and if they are in actuality legally owned by others, probably they will not go back to her. Lounging in a pound or even euthanasia, if it comes to that, would be better for them than falling back into her clutches. |
I am far more concerned about what happens when this lunatic low-life gets out of jail and gets her slap on the wrist. This will all start again from square 1, with new dogs. That, to me, is far more concerning than the dogs already rescued and safe, who are now in the public eye and who have the attention of the people on this forum and others who will try to help them.
by animules on 09 March 2011 - 11:59
|I felt physically ill yesterday when I saw these posts about Janice and what has happened, again...... Something so many of us here knew would happen again, except now her mother was caught up in being abused also. |
Sueincc, so well said:
"There were a few of us who were criticized for not letting up on Janice, but no one was crucified as badly as Sock Puppet was. I'm not going to name names, but suffice it to say, those who blindly stood up for Janice just because they didn't like Sock Puppet need to take a long, hard look at themselves, and they know damn well who they are, as does everyone else who was around at the time. Problem is that like Janice, those people never will admit they screwed up.
I am glad that once again, my friend Sock Puppet has been vindicated on this message board, though I'm sorry it took the abuse of an old woman and some dogs for it to happen. I'm hoping we see more of my buddy, I really miss him."
I remember too many of the posts now to want to go back and read them again, It's burned in my brain the post about her mother waiting to have her diapers changed. I was PM'ing somebody here whom I trusted to see if anything could be done. This has haunted me. I so hope her mother will be recover in a safe place and have some time to be a person again, not one of Janice's animals she collects and neglects.
by sueincc on 09 March 2011 - 12:22
|I remember that thread back in 2007 when I spoke up against Janice when so many were fawning over her. It haunts me to this day that I didn't have enough backbone and allowed Oldschool to slap me down so quickly and so completely. On the other hand, I doubt it would have made any difference no matter what I said. The sad truth is there will always be fools who form "opinions" and flap their gums without having any actual knowledge of the situation, and there will always be assholes with their own selfish agendas, who will rise to the defense of the Janice Bartmess's of the world, for one stupid reason or another.|
by Bob McKown on 09 March 2011 - 12:51
|There are some people who are only alive because it is illegal to kill them... No other reason for it.|
by Schaferhunden on 09 March 2011 - 13:01
|Everyone should be aware this is how they sell puppies on the PDB.Since the ddr dsh name has been branded here puppies are sold in her partners name only. All people want to contribute to the DDR DSH fund please contact Ad owner - - BlackDDR Or Buy a Puppy|
by sueincc on 09 March 2011 - 13:34
|You know what Maggs? I wasn't going to "name names" but then you have to open your mouth and shove your foot into it. So you asked for it. Maggs said: |
"Why does "this group" -- you know who you are -- insist on trying to ruin the PDB? Oli has worked very hard to give ALL of us a nice place to gather and talk. This is a damn shame. "
hahaha why, maggs am I not surprised? This is just another example in a long line of examples that proves exactly what a sick and twisted puppy you are. The "this group" you refer to are the exact same people who did what they could to get the word out about Janice, despite the best efforts of nut cases such as yourself who actually DEFENDED the convicted (twice now??) animal abuser. So what is it exactly that bothers you about this thread maggs, the fact that once more you were dead wrong or the fact that your own words once more come back to haunt you?
Apparently Oli has no problem with the "this group" you continually try to bad mouth. It must be really frustrating to be you, Maggie, you DID defend Janice on multiple occasions, the fact that you try to deny it now is just as chicken shit as when you went back and tried to erase all your nasty posts about it. Problem is you didn't get all of them, did you? Problem is you can't rewrite history no matter how hard you try to spin it, can you?
by jc.carroll on 09 March 2011 - 13:43
|I think Bob said it best.|
by gucci on 09 March 2011 - 14:02
Me too JC. Lida
by Keith Grossman on 09 March 2011 - 14:27
|"Abuse, whether of children, elders or animals, is a character issue and character very rarely changes after one is an adult (some say after age 10). Let's fact is, we all knew in fourth grade who was going to be most-likely-to-earn-a -death- sentence and who "everyone" thought could grow up to be president. Character does not change. So, I am not surprised to see Barthness in the news again for the same behavior. Abusers did it before the one they were caught at, and they will repeat the behavior down the line...whether they are actually "caught" at, or not."|
Exactly, Nia, and this is precisely the point I was trying to make when the conversation was about Michael Vick and some of the same forum members defended him. These behaviors are innate and these people do not change simply because they got caught.
by VomMarischal on 09 March 2011 - 15:07
|Keith, as far as some people are concerned, every unutterable puke has the right to express him or herself here with the full support of those who mistakenly supposed that person had "served their time and learned their lesson." It makes it all ok.|
......Into infinity. As long as you keep convincing some people that you have the right and that you're ok, you can keep transgressing into infinity. And the best part is that then certain fools will attack as unreasonable anyone who is NOT okay with being repeatedly smacked in the face.
by beetree on 09 March 2011 - 15:30
|I hope some of the more vindicated posters who were being harassed and who left, start to return.|
by Slamdunc on 09 March 2011 - 15:57
Yes, that would be nice. How about if some of the posters that did the harrassment leave and not return? Wouldn't that be nice.
by sueincc on 09 March 2011 - 16:08
|Big time Jim, big time.|
by hexe on 09 March 2011 - 17:33
I wonder if copies of her various posts here would be useful in prosecuting her for the neglect of both her mother and the dogs? Although she is clearly mentally ill, she is also clearly an intelligent individual who is capable of not only learning, but retaining what she's learned, and that is well-demonstrated in her postings regarding GSD history...so could any argument that she couldn't possibly know that what she was doing was wrong then be nullified by her own words? (DD? Nia?)
by beetree on 09 March 2011 - 17:35
|I've been thinking about that Jim, and I've concluded that it statistically is impossible. So what to do? Forced to deal with the devils we know, I guess. |
It sure helps though to have proof against the now absurd accusations, that were damaging none the less.
Jenni: I found where I made the incorrect conclusion as to whose diapers Bartmess was or was not changing. She never quite said exactly who it was in the one I saw, but followed it with a rambling about her husband. I stopped reading all her garble after awhile, so I missed some where she spoke ill of her mother. I could never dream of subjecting such abuse to the woman who gave me life.
by VomMarischal on 09 March 2011 - 17:50
|Hexe, I sent a sampling to the LA County DA's office. I sent the part about her mother's wrinkled red ass.|
by Donald Deluxe on 09 March 2011 - 17:58
|"Although she is clearly mentally ill, she is also clearly an intelligent individual who is capable of not only learning, but retaining what she's learned, and that is well-demonstrated in her postings regarding GSD history...so could any argument that she couldn't possibly know that what she was doing was wrong then be nullified by her own words? (DD? Nia?))"|
I don't see her mounting an insanity defense in this or any other criminal case against her. That would shatter everything she believes about herself, which is that she is a superior variety of human being who is continually harrassed by lower forms of life like bureaucrats, animal control officers, PETA and those people on the PDB who don't befriend her for "political" reasons.
Rather, she'll continue to invent straw man external factors to blame so she can avoid looking in the mirror and assuming responsibility for her actions and/or neglect (you know, just as she did here - and just as some others are doing here now to avoid their own responsibility for engaging this piece of trash and emboldening her once again).
In the end what she has to say doesn't really matter, as I cannot fathom any defense attorney anywhere allowing her to take the stand and testify in her own defense.
by hexe on 09 March 2011 - 18:00
VM, heaven knows you and I have been at loggerheads at times, but in this I not only applaud you, I bow to you for your efforts to intercede on behalf of those who could not do for themselves.
by VomMarischal on 09 March 2011 - 18:02
|Hexe, I can respect an opinion that differs from my own. I CANNOT respect anybody who tries to squelch discourse by acting like a superior being with the only correct opinion. That does not include you.|
PS. I'm aware that my methods are not for everyone.
by Mystere on 09 March 2011 - 18:07