German Shepherd Dog > The meaning of ¿Watching your Dog¿ during training. (71 replies)
The meaning of ¿Watching your Dog¿ during training.
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 02:02
|The majority of our pups begin training at an early age for either Police Service or Personal Protection work. |
A personal protection dogs job in part, is to allow you the opportunity to remove yourself from harm.
Having said that, you should feel comfortable being able to engage an assailant in close quarters with your dog.
This video will demonstrate how important it is to watch your dog during training.
It is easy to say “watch your dog”, it’s another thing to actually do it.
by SportySchGuy on 02 March 2011 - 02:21
|You can't be serious? |
#1 ......you do NOT fight with your dog in a PP situation. Police dog maybe but PP not unless there is no other option. You get the heck out of dodge. As I have said before you guys are gonna get someone hurt or killed one day.
#2......You are not going to look at your dog in that situation if it's for real. Why would you?
#3......If that dog is at the point in training for an exercise like that then it should be done in a muzzle and then you won't have to worry about watching your dog.
by GSDPACK on 02 March 2011 - 02:53
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 02:53
|Sport guy – I will speak slowly so you can comprehend what I already posted.|
I pointed out that; A personal protection dogs job in part, is to allow you the opportunity to remove yourself from harm.
Which equals in your words – Get out heck out of Dodge
I also pointed out that; having said that, you should feel comfortable being able to engage an assailant in close quarters with your dog.
You said - You are not going to look at your dog in that situation if it's for real. Why would you?
I pointed out that it is important to watch your dog, this is a training scenario for PPD or PSD’s.
As discussed with you on another forum, it is important to work your dog in a muzzle as well as a hidden sleeve and prepare yourself and your dog for any scenario.
I know I must sound like a broken record, speaking to someone of your worldly experience in the field of dog training, so in order to silence me…..please post some of your videos!
A real video, not one taken off the internet. Please post one of your videos for the world to see.
by leeshideaway on 02 March 2011 - 02:59
|Hi, this is just my opinion from my experience.|
In real life - not training:
1. My PP dog and I are a team, I would never send him and run. (unless there was no other choice)
2. I would be aware of the dog and attacker at all times and anything or anyone else nearby.
I probably would not have jumped in the fight like they did in the demo.
(maybe kicked him a few times)
3. In the final stages of training, proofing is done without a muzzle.
And I agree with the title - watch your dog during training.
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 03:03
|leeshideaway - Thanks, obviously you understand, you and your K9 Partner must be a Great Team.|
by GSDPACK on 02 March 2011 - 03:23
wow.. i love how people like to talk about what they would do when they have no idea what it feels like to actually do it for real.. ! It sucks!!! You are about to shit your pants and then your partner is about to get killed by a knife.. trust me unless you dont care about your dog... you are right there fighting with him.
I still cant believe I ever did such a job.. idiot!
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 03:25
by Jenni78 on 02 March 2011 - 03:50
| Did it ever occur to some people that the people who really DO this stuff FOR REAL sure as hell can't post videos of it on the internet? And why do we presume to know ANYTHING about another poster? How can you assume someone hasn't done this for real when they critique? Assuming is a very ignorant thing to do; do you ever really know who you're talking to over the internet? You have no idea who people may be or what they may or may not have done. |
Even I , little ole me, suburban girl, have buyers whose names I can't reveal, let alone post their pics, due to their gov't/military affiliation, and friends who are a big enough deal in the gov't world (not this country) of REAL LIFE dog training/military training/handling. And guess what? They don't use their real names on forums, and would never, ever, as long as they live, post a freaking video of how they train on the internet. These are people whose names I only learned the truth about myself when I met them in person.
So, the way I see it, those who can and have to do it for real, do it and shut up about it because it has to be that way, and those who are wannabe imposters make videos about their cowboys and indians games, because they have that luxury....because no one is serioiusly depending on those dogs...thank God.
Just my observation over the past decade.
by Jyl on 02 March 2011 - 03:51
|Good catch Pirate!|
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 04:00
|Jen - You make me laugh, I have done it for real. You will never see the real thing, 1- because I cannot, and will not post it. There are people on this forum who have seen it because as Law Enforcement they were entitled to see it and understand it.|
2- Because you could never understand it.
I have in the past posted my qualifications/experiences and credentials as well as videos.
How about...how about you and Sport Guy enlighten the world with your qualifications, experiences and a video or two.
Just of your training.......
My God, jealousy is a horrible thing.
by GSDPACK on 02 March 2011 - 04:44
not worth it!
by Jenni78 on 02 March 2011 - 14:24
| Kim, I have never watched any of your videos, don't care about your "qualifications" experiences, etc., and have never bothered to expend more energy on you than it took to block you from PMing me. Don't know how many times I need to reiterate that. Not sure why you need to feel like I care about you in some way or that this is somehow personal. It most certainly is not. I opened this thread thinking it was something more than the usual "look at me, everyone!" threads you usually post, but alas, I was wrong. |
What would I be jealous of?! You obviously don't know me at all, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY POINT!
My ONLY point, which I thought was QUITE CLEAR is that you all need to step outside the box and realize that you know very very little about people on the forums, and rather than assume they know nothing, because they won't "show" you, perhaps a wiser, more enlightened course would be to assume they may have a very good reason for NOT posting videos, as is the case with several people I know personally.
Not sure why you have such a hard time understanding that and why you're bringing it back to me all the time. I don't talk about what I do, ever, that I can recall. I don't train dogs except when I have to or I will have to kill them, I don't take videos, as I am alone and lazy, and I would much rather have people assume I don't know which end the leash goes on. It minimizes suspicion and allows me more freedom. LOL. I have no security issues, I am free to use my real name on forums...I'm just a short girl w/a couple of dogs from safe little suburbia who happens to have made friends with some people from extremely different walks of life and I thought perhaps I could shed some light on this very sore subject of "video refusal."
by Pirates Lair on 02 March 2011 - 14:58
|Jen- I'm not in the video|
There are people on this forum who enjoy learning and watching dogs work. I'm sorry if your not one of them.
by contimali on 02 March 2011 - 15:01
|Kim it's best to ignore jealous wannabes.|
by SportySchGuy on 02 March 2011 - 15:03
You know I am just now getting back to this thread. (shakes head) I am always amazed though I shouldn't be. One thing I have learned in life is that prior qualifications do not mean much when things get real. If people that trained in this manner shown in the video were placed in a serious situation..... they will die. Believe me, don't believe me; doesn't matter to me . That is my final word on the matter.
by Ruger1 on 02 March 2011 - 15:38
COME ON PEOPLE.....BE NICE...: )
The post was about Pirates video....I have been told by Kelly many times and have heard about the importance of READING/WATCHING your dog.....This is a GREAT example of why.......Thanks Pirate....: )
by LadyFrost on 02 March 2011 - 16:13
|whats with making things personal? such as interpreting someone elses post...we all can read on our own....|
by ALPHAPUP on 02 March 2011 - 16:30
|Pirates L. -- a word for you !! -- i am gald soemone onthis forum has enough wisdom and truthfulness to state what you did !1 YES .. SOMEONE [ and a dog ] is going to get HURT ... from my point of view .... and again .. only an opinion .. i watched three of those videos .. i would blast those people for the perfromance of those dogs !! they are NOT in my opinion of what a good PP / or well trained PP should exmplify .. i hope you folks did not present those videos as an avdertisement tyo sell dogs .. personally if you worked for me i would read you all the riot act !! i want viewers to nderstand ... you better have 100% control of your dog ... i have had PP dogs [ i trained for the record] .. if those folks agitated or presented in body suite , the dogs alerted [ it should be if the dog has a suspicion level] BUT the dog would be aside of me in heal , not that I have to watch the dog .. but the dog's mind is on me looking for direction[ not ness it's eyes but you can be sure it's mind and the corner of it's eye] [ unless i trained an automatic attack that supercedes a command which i have done , that's a differenent convesation]. point here .. not only do you control the dog BUT it should control itself .. no different fundamantally of a dog doing a guard/hold or batk hold in sport - the dog must control itself .. --point #2 .. the video showing the dog jumping over the vehicle to bite an arm firing a gun -- Stupidity . plain stupidity .. do that to a reasonably skilled assailant and the dog would have had a bullt in the face and the next one would probably be sent your way !! you don't send a dog to it's death !! ..DOGS DO NOT STOP BULLETS . if someone is behind a vehcle .. something as simple as running away and to let the environment protection could suffice .. gosh ... a tree could get you cover as you run away ... and .. most people who just pull a gun on you will MISS if you get 20 feet away ... not 100% but most are so nervous they would miss !! pirates is correct!! .. you find a way to get out [ safety.. and try to keep your dog safe] .. in police work / tact units there is a way to deploy your dog and way not to !! the last resort is to have the dog sacrifice it's life to save you and don't lose sight of the fact .. the dogs we trained in real life have PROTECTION vest on !! he is right --get out of Dodge .. get yourself out of harms way before you send the dog !! Nowconsider this : if you send the dog from you .. most assailants are NOT alone !! be mindful .. many a times if you do not use a dog correctly you will ineveitably put yourself in harms way of the second or third assailant -after having sent a dog on the first assailant innapropriately !! # -- most poeple on this forum don't know enough about dog training and to many times i have seen demonstrated training is IMO, that is deplorable !!. thankyou pirates L, for opening people's eyes they are going to get hurt !! seriously hurt !! [|
by hunger4justice on 02 March 2011 - 16:31
|WOW! The absolute misogynistic and utterly unproductive person vituperative attacks are unbelievable and that is why many folks don't bother to post even though they might have something to either add or learn. |
I said I would never post, but I just have to say something about the attacks on Jenn. If you knew her and knew what her dogs have done all over this planet, if you ever met her dogs, especially her male, and saw him in action, those of you who disparage her without knowing (her very point) would realize how very wrong you are. She never criticized anyone or said not to watch your dog during training, she merely made a point about why some folks don't want attention called to what their dog has done and is capable of when they are no doing so for sport. God knows she does not need me to defend her and if you only knew her dog, you would never say another word against either. I am sure, knowing what her dogs have done, she even finds being underestimated amusing. Those of you who are/have been on the street know that underestimating someone is not wise.
I just can't believe how mean people are on here.