German Shepherd Dog > Rambo the GSD Puppy and His'' shock'' Collar ...after two weeks of'' shocking'' (95 replies)
by LMH on 04 February 2011 - 15:42
Actually, the videos do have some merit. Because of all the negative reactions, puppy owners who think they have aggressive pups may wise up and learn they don't. I watched these videos last night when they first appeared. Between gagging over all the shit these dogs ran around in, the annoying pager and the labeling of the pup aggressive......sigh.....I was kind of numb....disillusioned....and, yes.....disgusted.
Very scary stuff. How could she not see that the lab was overly tolerant.....especially after Molly (that was her name, I think) finally had enough in the third video and put the pup in his place. Bet those two little scrappers told him off earlier.
The puppy is blowing you off, Leif. You took all the fun away. Ever hear of the term one-on-one. Honestly, it's sad. And.....who's Susan? Is she Rambo's owner? If she is, you've given her a bad impression of this pup. NOT fair. WAY too early to be given a definite label of ANY kind. He wanted to play, and he's mouthy. Maybe you should focus your attention on those pasterns. They would concern me more than your take on this baby. And, please, stop annoying him.
by GSDNewbie on 04 February 2011 - 15:47
|Thanks gag.... I just lost my breakfast when clicked her kennel link and the message popped up they have all kinds of lab and gsd pups on the way ;(|
oh yeah like I suspected.... she is trying to drum up business at the poor pups expense with this ad on her website. FL get ready for tons of issue dogs being dumped after she "trains" them.
We offer training for all breeds large and small and have developed a successful training program using the revolutionary pager collar from Dogtra.This training allows for precise off leash control and is useful in solving even the most severe behavior problems the collar is included in all training programs About Turn Pager Training. Please feel free to call or e-mail with any questions. "
and omg its a family scam enterprise with the crud her relative is hawking that "cures" cancer with an immune booster product.
by Ruger1 on 04 February 2011 - 16:06
IMO, I worry about someone who puts the words SHOCK in quotation marks with regard to puppy training....Then disappears and will not give account to her actions to others with puppy training experience......BIG RED LIGHT...IMO......: (
by TessJ10 on 04 February 2011 - 16:10
|Ruger1, she said before that she did that for the "made you look" effect, and it worked pretty well. Her other "shock the puppy" thread had over 1,000 views.|
by GSDNewbie on 04 February 2011 - 16:15
|Unfortunatly since she does not use her real name here the idiots considering her training methods cannot veiw the whys she should no be hired. |
I find it also irritating that her site is hawking pups but all she will post is what I assume purchased studs and none of her breeding females infos are available. I suspect huge puppy mill breeding operation and it needs to be looked in to.
by BlackthornGSD on 04 February 2011 - 16:17
I think the "pager" (vibrate) feature of the Dogtra is being used instead of the electric-stim--except where she said she used the "nick" stim button. Which would be why "shock" is in quotes.
by Ruger1 on 04 February 2011 - 16:18
Well, that is quite the sales technique.....However, she still has not responded to the posts on her thread....That says a lot IMO.......: (
by TessJ10 on 04 February 2011 - 16:22
|"I think the "pager" (vibrate) feature of the Dogtra is being used instead of the electric-stim--except where she said she used the "nick" stim button. Which would be why "shock" is in quotes."|
Right, that's what I'm saying. It was the pager function but in order to get people up in arms and looking at / talking about it, she used the shock & puppy hook.
by sueincc on 04 February 2011 - 17:44
|She clearly demonstrates and explains how she uses the nick function on the ecollar. I think everyone can hear she also uses the pager function, but not exclusively. This is especially obvious in the 2nd video. After the 1st and 2nd video, I had enough, didn't want to see any more.|
Personally I would not use an ecollar on any puppy. The GSD puppy in the video certainly didn't demostrate any aggression and did not have over-the-top prey drive. I guess she doesn't know dogs as well as she thinks she does. Too bad for the puppy.
If this is a sales pitch, it couldn't be any worse. If her goal in posting this was to "rev up" the board, she succeeded - YAY her. She also succeeded in losing any credibility she might still have had here. Wow.
by VonIsengard on 04 February 2011 - 18:11
|You compare the nick to using a choke or a prong- are you saying you would also use a choke or a prong on a 12 week old puppy? I am unlike a lot of trainers here, I actually will use a training collar on a pet puppy, but at 12 weeks? Unacceptable, for any type of correction device. If someone wanted to put an ecollar on my young puppy I'd tell them exactly where they could shove it.|
Training should be about fun and building the bond between dog and handler. Training is not cutting a drivey, playful puppy loose with other dogs and cutting off their fun through constant negative reinforcement. This puppy, one on one, would be ridiculously easy to train due to his obvious drive and sociability. At 12 weeks he already shows avoidance, as does the lab.
I will use a shock collar as well, here are some of my cardinal rules:
The dog must have prior obedience training to at least the beginner off lead level.
The dog must be 12 months or older.
(These two rules are to ensure the dog has the maturity and knowledge to handle and understand the strong correction an e-collar gives)
Never use an e-collar on dogs with extreme fear issues. (You will worsen them)
Never shock a dog out of a stay. (Your stays go clean down the toilet)
Never shock a dog away from people or other dogs. (The dog will often react negatively toward the nearest person/dog)
You must always use lavish praise the moment the dog respond to the correction. (This is to ensure the dog understands not only the incorrect behavior but also the correct one. Note all the recalls where the puppy stopped halfway and did not want to complete the exercise and needed another page/nick.)
I'm sure some people here will disagree with my rules, but please remember these are my rules for pet owners who are using a shock collar to control a certain behavior, not experienced "working dog" people.
A trained dog is a dog who responds because it wants to, and in the back of their head knows they must. Not a dog who responds because they have no choice but no desire, either.
by von sprengkraft on 04 February 2011 - 19:42
|You really aren't getting the job done. I have some tricks I would LOVE to share with you. Just strap that collar on your thigh and hand me your transmitter. Don't worry....I am a good trainer with many years experience. I have references!!|
by ggturner on 04 February 2011 - 22:01
|Sure wish somebody would save poor Rambo from this person!|
by missbeeb on 04 February 2011 - 22:36
What's shocking, is that the likes of you are able to purchase and use these e-collars... you aught to be totally ashamed but I suspect you're too ignorant.
by Duderino on 05 February 2011 - 00:25
|Strapping it to her thigh won't do any good, Dogtra collars will not transmit through the fabric of the jeans. Now no pants, different story. Dogtra big power but unreliable, Tri-Tronics less power, reliable.|
by Don Corleone on 05 February 2011 - 02:14
|I'm shocked that you guys are shocked.|
by Red Sable on 05 February 2011 - 02:17
|I'm shocked that you are shocked that they are shocked that Lief's pup is shocked.|
by Don Corleone on 05 February 2011 - 02:24
|Mrs. Sable, or Red, if you will, you shock and amaze me every single day! ;)|
by Red Sable on 05 February 2011 - 02:27
|LOL, that's a good thing, right?|
Actually, I was just kidding. I'm not really shocked that you're shocked that they are shocked that liefs pup is shocked.
by JRANSOM on 05 February 2011 - 02:34
| I didn't see over exaggerated prey drive. I saw a puppy being a puppy. I would never put an ecollar on my 12 wk old pup. And IMHO I could get the same response from my pup with voice and food reward. Providing less distractions. For a puppy, c' mon. you can't introduce distractions like that and expect anything! I consider myself a novice but I know better than that. And, I don't see that anythings changed from vid 1. Sure the pup comes when his name is called. Basics. Don't need an ecollar for that. Or pager collar. Yes, I do think that is just laziness. Alot of people put alot of time and effort into their dogs to make them the best they can be. For people watching this for the first time will be all on board to just sit back and let the collar do the work. (even though they can't use it properly),!|
by JRANSOM on 05 February 2011 - 02:40
|Wait, is she using e-stim or just vibration? either way you can do it (manually) and get the same effect! Maybe even better because of the rapore/bond that you create when working not just with the collar.|
Did I say that righ? Know what I mean?