German Shepherd Dog > Inbreeding or Line breeding your thoughts (Larus von Batu) (7 replies)
Inbreeding or Line breeding your thoughts (Larus von Batu)
by MR4166 on 10 January 2011 - 18:35
I came across this ad stating they are breeding a son of Larus von Batu, to a daughter of Larus von Batu.
by hodie on 10 January 2011 - 19:27
|This is a very close breeding (inbreeding - mating of very close relatives, in this case both dogs to be mated have Larus as the father) and is so heavily dependent on the same dogs throughout the pedigree (linebreeding - share MANY common ancestors) that I would not think it advisable unless one knows EXACTLY the traits they expect to be passed on and has evidence that such traits will be passed on. Secondly, this kind of breeding has the potential to concentrate both negative traits as well as positive. Positive traits passed on are one thing, but what would you do if you end up with a litter that concentrates some negative, such a some health issue? |
Larus is a very good dog, but I would personally probably not do this breeding without some good reason for doing so.
by Turk on 10 January 2011 - 20:17
|To me it's inbreeding. Linebreeding I would consider uncle to neice, grand dau to grand sire. I've done this with birds not dogs so it may be different in the canine world.|
by hodie on 10 January 2011 - 20:59
|Turk, you are correct. It is inbreeding, but also line breeding if you look at all the common ancestors in the resulting pedigree. In this case, many, many common ancestors are in the bloodlines.|
by jaymesie51 on 10 January 2011 - 21:20
|this is a half brother sister mating so is most definately inbreeding it is not line breeding|
by GermanShepherd<3 on 11 January 2011 - 22:06
|I once asked a question about different types of breeding on here, and I have also begun to research on my own as well, just to be able to understand what can come from that, and why breeders do it that way. |
As I see this breeding, it looks like inbreeding, not line breeding and it is a very close breeding.
I wouldn't advise to this type of breeding as it is very risky. You can never know what you will get, either good or bad. These breeders must REALLY know their dogs to be able to perform this breeding. It is so risky to get negative traits, so they should have really have studied the litters these dogs have had before.
I noticed they mainly said this litter will bring improvement of color. I personally do not think you need to perform such a close mating to get this. Yasko lines were known to pass down great pigment, and it's great they chose part of a yasko/larus line, however there are many many many great studs or females out there that could add a kick of darker pigment of red if that's what you are looking for. They didn't state anything else to improve, and they said those on the hunt for pedigrees with so many VA dogs. Honestly this is a pick up line in my opinion. Who cares how many VA and great dogs you have, most pups they produce are not going to be super stars like they were. I care for work, were they able to prove themselves worthy of the breed? What is the health like? Honestly color and style should be towards the last of the list, I am not saying it's not important but color seems like the only thing they are striving for, and just because they have a Larus son or daughter makes them something great. I have met many Yasko or Larus sons that are NOTHING like the father. So people don't be fooled by the misleading message that there are soooooo many VA, special dogs in there. Litters can turn out so different from the parents. I mean it is a bonus if they were titled like that but you can not only base it off that they are VA and that it means the pups will be awesome. This is why breeding is so difficult. To strive for the best puppies. You must know how to pair the dogs off temperament, drive, genetics, etc.
Yasko/Larus lines from what a breeder once told me (don't blame me if I am wrong I am not sure if it's true as I don't breed lol) that they seemed to pass down weak ears? If this is the case, that could be something that could arise. Also plush coats can happen in any litter but technically it is a fault, and two of the males got that..
So in short you must really know what you are doing-- the genetics, your dogs, and many factors play into this. Inbreeding could be a successful litter however it is very risky and you never know what could occur.
If I said anything wrong please someone correct me!! I strive to learn this stuff as much as possible!!
Have a great day everyone!
by KELEVRA KENNELS on 12 January 2011 - 16:22
|well most would call it inbred but sometimes a line gets so scatter bred that you can make such a breeding and end up with the best of your line. if both sire and dam are good honest working dogs you wont have a problem finding one to keep. remember its your line any wrong doing will reflect on you and any good doings will do the same. i just did a breeding of the worst kind in mans eyes. based off the last of their line, let me tell you , these dogs are great.... super smart,loving with a great stucture. and bred down from dogs of my past. some would say dont do it ,your a fool if you do . but i say double dog dare ya , nothing ventured nothing gained.let me know how it turns out.|
by ALPHAPUP on 13 January 2011 - 18:10
|It's INBREEDING ... and your thoughts let alone the action .. should stop right there !! NOW !! IMOplanned this pairing] if someone has to even ask this question [ as harsh as it sounds , BUT truthful !] that one shouldn't consider even breeding until they know what they are doing !!|