German Shepherd Dog > New KC inititive (38 replies)
by bazza on 08 January 2011 - 14:14
|Linda, couldn't agree more. Especially with your last couple of sentences, I didn't always think like that but have for many many years now, so, so, true.|
by noddi on 08 January 2011 - 14:45
|Excellent post Linda.As with Bazza i totally agree.there must be champions in all breeds who HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THE BETTERMENT OF THAT BREED.Here in gsds we know that there has been several animals awarded championship status who because of their hip status could never have been bred from.They compensate with the build up of muscle tissue around the affected joint and their movement is sound.i personally dont see how this initive is going to work.If the show vet states that an animal is not fit for purpose ,does that mean that the CC then goes to the RCC winner and that animal then has to compete with the BOS for BOB ,and wot happens if the 4 top winners in a breed are all declared NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE???????????Carole S.|
by missbeeb on 08 January 2011 - 16:02
Excellent! we all know and agree that, it's the KC that is not fit for purpose. What to do about it tho'?
by Sue B on 08 January 2011 - 17:08
|Linda B, An excellent post with very pertinent points being put forward. I was discussing these same points with one of our club committee members today when he rang to ask if I had recieved a letter from the Kennel Club as his local paper had carried the news story re the KC requesting vets to do health checks on BOB winners. The only difference is that his local paper reported that the KC had deemed this would be done at ALL Championship shows from now on and so thought that would involve our club having to pay for a vet to be present to do the checks at our Champ show to be held in June. After assuring him I believed it was only to take place for the selected BOB winners due to represent their breed in the main arena at Crufts, I did wonder if the practice was to be extended to General Champ Shows in the future.|
Apart from the very important point raised by you Linda, I wonder if the KC have even lended a thought to just how dangerous this recent announcement of theirs is. For example, by this announcement they have informed the General Public that someone from the Veterinary profession will pronounce each and every one of 15 selected BOB at Crufts winners as being Healthy and Fit for Purpose before entering the Group Ring. Hoping you dont mind me using your lovely Randy as an example, but say for example he made BOB and the Crufts Vet passed him as Healthy (after all coming and going he is as sound as a pound!), now say he was not owned by someone as honest and reputable as you, it would not be unreasonable for MR Joe Public to purposely go out to buy a puppy by this Crufts BOB winner, after all he was Crufts BOB and subsequently given a bill of Health by the Kennel Clubs own Vet in attendance. Who do you think would then be liable if this particular Joe Public ended up with a puppy with severe HD? Surely the KC would be sailing very close to the wind on being found guilty of negligence and of providing misleading information relating to the Health of a particular dog !!
by Dawn G. Bonome on 08 January 2011 - 21:38
|Just my 2 cents worth.. WHICH is...What if the KC comes to the conclusion that ALL dogs are fit and healthy, BUT only the dogs that THEY CHOOSE that win their class and if they DO NOT LIKE a CERTAIN dog, such as the German dog... or have a grudge against a certain breeder or breeders, they can ruin the dog and the breeder's reputation if a dog is not chosen. So... do they have xray eyes and look into the dogs bodies to see that the dogs are PERFECTION? Are the Champions examined on site? Bloodwork, xrays for hips and elbows, eyes, heart, thyroid, etc..will be examined? When would they get these results? Same day?That speedy with the results huh?|
Just because a dog is a champion, means diddly squat! People lie, Judges can be bribed, and are buddies with their breeder friends. This is betterment of the breed?
Sounds like BIG BROTHER to me!
Dawn in Chicago
by missbeeb on 08 January 2011 - 21:55
Dawn... you got it!
by Doppelganger on 08 January 2011 - 23:40
|Sue this is indeed to be extended to Group and General Champ Shows as well as Crufts from 2012 who already have vets on site,|
by Immerrecht on 10 January 2011 - 18:38
|Too funny!!! All the roach back owners bleating on because the KC won't let their dogs win. It's this simple - if your dog is good enough and meets the KC standard (not some dream of Deutschland you have in your head), qualifies and is healthy then what's stopping you entering?|
Could it be that Ms Balding hit the nail on the head last year and that the KC don't want to see another televised fiasco?
As for the call to arms to go off and do your own 'German' thing. Feel free. You won't be missed. Nor will you be missed at Crufts. Perhaps, for once, there might actually be a GSD make it through to the finals. Better yet, there might be an Alsatian.
by bazza on 10 January 2011 - 19:07
|What's an Alsatian?|
by Lennard on 10 January 2011 - 19:50
Are you saying there`s two different (seperate) Breeds???
Surely never, when did that happen??/
by hutch on 10 January 2011 - 23:11
This is a whitewash by the KC to court public opinion. After the fiasco with Starkstrom Lottery last year I doubt any of their vet's opinions can be given any credence - hips and elbows cannot be assessed by the naked eye.(Although I note that the KC only mentions lameness and I am sure the judge won't put up a lame dog!!!) We should continue to press for compulsory health tests as a pre-requisite for registration - the only way to take health issues seriously where a test exists.
For the Record
There will be plenty of GSDs true to the standard at Crufts. We must make sure the public get to see true GSDs at the show - whether or not they win!
by Immerrecht on 11 January 2011 - 22:41
|As usual - there's disinformation here. Nowhere in the KC announcement does it talk about "fit for purpose". Nor does it address conformation. It simply says that a vet will examine the animal for a certain number of abnormalities and general health.|
So why are all the 'German' owners so frightened?
by jaymesie51 on 11 January 2011 - 23:06
|then it should be checking fit for purpose and fit for life but as usual another cop out from the KC, dogs that are not health tested and graded with a BC breed survey should not be allowed to be shown at this the premier show in the UK.Now that would be a benefit to the breed here and maybe telling joe public that the sire or dam are crufts winners might actually mean something.But i wont hold my breath i will most likely see flying pigs before i ever see that |
by missbeeb on 12 January 2011 - 07:39
Exactly right Jim.
... and nobody's frightened ... angry, knowing the KC for what it is, but nothing for US to be afraid of, our dogs can be and are shown WORLD wide under GOOD judges!
by Abby Normal on 12 January 2011 - 12:56
|I really don't see what the KC thinks it is likely to achieve with 'clinical' observations only. The majority of severe diseases/defects are simply not apparent. |
If they are instituting vet checks at Crufts and Championship Shows, it is a very small step to add in a requirement for owners to present the dog's certificates during the vet inspection in respect of HD/ED/Eye testing, or whatever is specific to that breed, to ensure that hidden defects are addressed as well. No certificates, no entry - simples.
by Videx on 12 January 2011 - 13:21
| I fully agree - No Health Certificates = NO ENTRY|
Instead of GSD exhibitors talking or writing or thinking - how about some ACTION?
How about much more ACTION on the "British" GSDL/WUSV Programme?
Looks like its prospects are being seriously diminished by inactivity and indecisiveness.
by Linda B on 16 January 2011 - 11:20
|Just another thought on the KC statement. Will they continue to register progeny from any dog that they and their vets deem not worthy to be awarded its prize or the title of champion. What about progeny that have been registered previously.|
What will happen with dogs that have already been awarded their title of champion. will the kennel club strip them of their title?
by jaymesie51 on 16 January 2011 - 11:56
|linda believe you me nothing will change they will still register any offspring from these parents and they will not strip titles or anything else because they want the money that is uper most in the KCs existance just like the ABBA song Money Money Money.|
by Sue B on 16 January 2011 - 13:41
|Abby, Excellent idea re producing health papers before entry, couldnt have put it better myself. Sadly Jim is right, it will never happen. Hence the need for the development of the WUSV-Regional Group, set up by clubs that wanted to be free to organise and run events especially designed to make Health a pre-requisite to sheer beauty, along with incorporating other aspects of a Fit for Purpose GSD, such as character and working ability. Thus ensuring that as far as Health, Fitness and Suitability for breeding is concerned we do far more than that dire condition called 'Lip Service' so regulary adopted by the KC with such consistency that they have not only mastered the art of Lip Service but have managed to take it to a new level !!!.|
Linda, once again excellent points re breeding but then as we know the KCABS is yet just another string to the KC's Lip Service bow.