German Shepherd Dog > New KC inititive (38 replies)
New KC inititive
by Lennard on 07 January 2011 - 08:31
|On the front of todays "Dog World" my Hi-Light|
Champions and BOB winners in 15 breeds to be health checked
06 Jan 2011 08:03
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THE KENNEL Club has announced that dogs of 15 ‘high-profile breeds’ who win best of breed at Crufts 2012 and at general and group championship shows after that will need to be given a clean bill of health by the show vet before their awards are confirmed and they are allowed to continue to compete at the show.
In addition, before the champion title of any dog or bitch within these breeds can be confirmed the dog will have to undergo the same procedure at a group or general championship show.
The move, which will become effective in March 2012, is to ensure that the breeds, ‘some of which suffer from health issues and which attract the greatest criticism, do not bring the whole hobby of dog showing into disrepute’, the KC said on Tuesday, adding: “This requirement is designed to improve canine health and protect the sport of dog showing.”
The breeds are the Basset Hound, Bloodhound, Bulldog, Chinese Crested, Chow Chow, Clumber Spaniel, Dogue de Bordeaux, French Bulldog, German Shepherd Dog, Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff, Pekingese, Pug, Shar-Pei and the St Bernard.
Vets will be looking for signs of ectropion, entropion, corneal damage, dermatitis, breathing difficulty on moderate exercise, lameness and skin disorders. With regard to the Crested, the principal issue will be the presence of skin damage arising from hair removal, and signs of clipper rash or ‘chemical insults’ to the skin. Show vets will be given clear guidelines on the issues which need to be considered before deciding whether to allow a dog to proceed in the group competition.
“The vets will be directed only to prevent dogs from going forward if they are suffering from some clinical problem which obviously adversely affects the dog’s wellbeing,” the KC said. “They will not be permitted to exclude dogs merely for aesthetic reasons or because of exaggerations alone unless these are causing the dog some adverse clinical effect on its health or welfare.
by missbeeb on 07 January 2011 - 11:24
Hi Len! Sounds like typical KC lip service; they're not actually prepared to do ANYTHING to prevent health problems, but they don't want it to be evident at their show/ s.
Now, had they accepted what "we" proposed, canine health would indeed, have been improved.
As to having ones dog vet checked... how much faith could you have in a KC appointed vet?
by Sue B on 07 January 2011 - 11:50
|Another KC initiative with a bark bigger than its bite!! Have these vets got Xray eyes able to weed out those with HD or ED? What about the abilities required to check for eye problems such as PRA or any number of hereditary diseases in other breeds? Don't think so!!|
So what exactly are these vets checking ? The only thing they could be checking of course, the JUDGES!!
Lennard a couple of days ago you started a thread asking if any further action had been taken re last years Crufts fiasco. Well guess you now have your answer, though not necessarily the one you expected! The KC have taken further action, they now intend to have VETS 'vet' the judges by checking out their BOB for soundness etc, beware those dogs with PROVEN HEALTH CHECKS they mean diddly squat to this KC regime. The KC would rather give their awards and stud book numbers to dogs with severe HD etc than to one their vet might consider has a little too much hind angulation or fails to cope with a slippery floor.
Not to worry, this years GSD judge is a KC member and I hear the BOB is already sorted, so our breed wont have to suffer the same fate as last years. (Oops, Hope Caroline remembers to inform Claire Baldwin and her Television Camera Crew)!!
From one who sees it and tells it as it is.
by Penny on 07 January 2011 - 13:08
|I would suggest that anyone deciding to enter this show makes sure that they take with them, to the show, every piece of paperwork evidence of their dogs hip score, elbow score etc etc. |
That way, if any "would be" aspiring "controversy makers" decide to do what they did last year and denounce a dog as a cripple unfoundedly, or tip out a pensioner and her dog, the scientific approved evidence of the dogs healthy hip/elbow status etc can be argued, on site, let the tv camera crew take that on. Mo.
by jaymesie51 on 07 January 2011 - 13:27
|I seem to remember back in the early 90's the breed council asked the KC for a similar thing in that any GSD champion would have to have passed health tests before the KC gave them the title of Champion we know that this never came about, because again the KC were not interested in healthy dogs, just the one's that could make them money, i think this is a watered down version of this.|
by Sue B on 07 January 2011 - 13:35
|Problem is Mo you are never aware of which dogs the TV Camera Crew are targeting until you see it on the TV later. Remember last year the GSD wasn't discussed until the DAY AFTER the Pastoral Group had been judged.|
Crufts never was a show designed to show off the best of our breeds attributes in the first place, then after the TV controversy of Crufts 2008 and again last year, I cant imagine why any true German Shepherdite would want to grace the KC with a Crufts entry again. Remember what happened to the 2008 BOB winner, then last years BOB winner, both FULLY HEALTH CHECKED GSD;S. So why on earth would anyone want to go anyway? (with exception of the owners of this years guaranteed BOB winner of course).
by Videx on 07 January 2011 - 14:23
|Are there many GSD aficionados out there who have not got an excellent idea of who this years Crufts BOB winner is very likely to be?|
It is becoming extremely difficult for GSD enthusiasts to continue exhibiting at Crufts or any KC Show.
by Doppelganger on 07 January 2011 - 16:01
|Change the record.|
So if you lot are not going to enter, then the judge will have less to choose from, so don't be surprised if he gives it to the best dog there from those entered. You've got to be in it to win it. Or is the truth that you lot can't show your dogs without doubling handling, or maybe even you are scared your dogs wouldn't pass the test if they did get BOB? I haven't seen anywhere the judge making a statement on who is going to win - yet he is being slagged off before he even judges. Go off and play at your own shows and leave those of us who wish to take our chances to do so. I thought CC's didn't mean anything to you anyway?
by Sue B on 07 January 2011 - 16:03
by sillysally on 07 January 2011 - 16:21
|His best mate Binden has it in the bag, you mark my words !!!!!!!!!|
by Lennard on 07 January 2011 - 16:25
|You will of course notice that they will take your entry fee first and then see if they deny you a Result!!!|
by missbeeb on 07 January 2011 - 16:31
Too funny... you think other dogs are not double handled?
Frankly, I couldn't care less about the winners under, what in my opinion, is a poor judge... good luck to them... they have a worse one next year!
Interestingly, there's no mention of temperament checking
Who makes these half assed decisions at the KC?
by pacosbear on 07 January 2011 - 16:53
|"or maybe even you are scared your dogs wouldn't pass the test if they did get BOB?"|
Perhaps it would be a good idea if all dogs (identifiable) were required to pass health tests before being allowed to enter the show.
Now theres an idea.
by Dawn G. Bonome on 07 January 2011 - 17:05
When is Crufts? Here in Chicago, they showed on TV, German Shepherds Exposed. If this is the wrong name of it, my apologies. It was filmed at the Crufts show, and putting the German dog in a bad light. This is the first time that I saw this on TV.
by Alyson R on 07 January 2011 - 17:07
|Showing my age - but when I first showed at Crufts (back in the 60s) all dogs had to be vetted before they were allowed to enter the hall. ( I think I'm right in saying that cats still are vet checked before their shows.) Had enormous queues to get in and the check was at best cursory!|
by Videx on 07 January 2011 - 19:23
|It's called "Window Dressing" Alyson, something the Kennel Club is particularly adept at.|
What our 'correct GSD breed' here within the United Kingdom requires is very obvious, very necessary and also attainable,
as follows: To REGISTER all our GSD with the SV/WUSV though the GSD League of Great Britain and agree with the SV/WUSV that we continue with our GSD Regional Events and British Sieger Show under our very own dynamic and developing Rules & Regulations.
We can then adopt our very own set of Rules & Regulations, with the approval of the SV/WUSV and within British Legal requirements for the breeding our GSD, and for any other matter connected with our 'correct GSD breed' - here within the United Kingdom.
It can and it should be done, without any undue delay.
David Payne 7th January 2011
by Sue B on 07 January 2011 - 19:58
|Don't be silly sally, I will take note and mark your words but my guess is you will be eating them when the BOB proves you wrong.|
Hi Dawn, couldn't agree more with your sentiments and the program you are referring to is the same as the one I was referring to in my earlier post that was made in 2008. Now, what you probably didn't realise and need to know is that the filming of that program was made over two championship shows yet the commentary made it appear as if it was all filmed at Crufts, which it was not. Indeed, a lot of the dogs featured in movement didn't even take place at Crufts!!! So much for 'Unbiased' reporting eh!! As far as meaningful Health tests, the British KC are a joke, they will register anything, allow dysplastic dogs entry into the KC stud book and gain champion titles and then think arranging for one of their vets to check coats, ears, eyes and movement of a few 'targeted' breeds after they gain a BOB win at Crufts will actually show them in a good, caring light when it comes to breed Health!! Give us a break KC, plueeze. How naive do you think the majority of people are!!
by Jemima Harrison on 08 January 2011 - 12:00
|Sue B wrote: "Now, what you probably didn't realise and need to know is that the filming of that program was made over two championship shows yet the commentary made it appear as if it was all filmed at Crufts, which it was not. Indeed, a lot of the dogs featured in movement didn't even take place at Crufts!!!"|
Actually, Sue, the first bit of GSD footage is clearly captioned "Manchester Championship Dog Show" and it is accompanied by this commentary: "We asked a top orthopaedic vet to look at the footage of German Shepherds we recorded at a top championship show."
And then the commentary says: "We see much the same at Crufts two months later."
by missbeeb on 08 January 2011 - 12:03
Without wishing to re-hash the same old same old... can you confirm that the "soundness issue" was based on the film footage of only 4 dogs please?
by Linda B on 08 January 2011 - 14:03
|As someone who own's a champion dog with a hip score of 50. can I say that Where I to show him at Crufts and he won he would pass all of the health checks that the KC are preposing. This dosn't mean that this dog is fit for breeding as with a hip score so high he should never be used st stud. This health check fiasco is just another KC white wash. The only why the KC can help improve health issues is to only accept registrations from puppies who's parents have passed the relevent health test's. Due to the revenue the KC would loose this will never happen. Remember the KC in the UK is a profit making buisness. Perhaps their motto should be IT IS NOT WHAT THE KENNEL CLUB CAN DO FOR THE WORLD OF PEDIGREE DOGS BUT WHAT THE WORLD OF PEDIGREE DOGS CAN DO FOR THE KENNEL CLUB.|
I believe that showing and breeding are two seperate things. The best animals in the show ring are not nessecarly the best animals to breed from just as the best breeding animals are not always the best in the show ring.
Just my opinion for what it's worth